I'd love to talk a

better here rather a bit about Zen Buddhism. So Zen Buddhism for a lot of people I think is more than anything. A unclear and confusing and you have recommended in for instance in my last book trog mentors recommended a few books related to Zen Buddhism. Zen mind beginner's Mind by shooting news is and also what is Zen subtitle Plain Talk for a beginner's Mind by Norman Fischer. Yeah. If is CH ER, are you still finding Zen Buddhism to be helpful in your life? And if so, Why how would you describe it and its impact in your life? It's such

an interesting topic because in some ways if you start to dive into it, it does become really confusing and actually don't recommend Zen mind beginner's mind as the first book. It is a great book. It's got so much wisdom in it. But when you start to read it doesn't make a lot of sense. So if you read one book to start with that, what is Zen by Norman Fischer is a great intro, but also if you don't dive into it and you just have this like idea of what Zen is people think of it as Like calm and tranquility and simplicity and in some ways it is it does work with that kind of stuff. So when I started I had that idea like, oh it's going to be just mindfulness and simplicity and calm and then I started diving into it and I had that same response which is like I don't understand what this is about it all I don't know what they're talking about. And if you go to like a Zen temple and like meditate with them, there's a bunch of chanting and it feels really off-putting and confusing so I completely acknowledge is a lot of Confusion that comes up around it and that's just because it's like this old tradition where they have their ways of doing things.