What's happening people? Welcome back to the show. My guest today is Tulsi gabbard. She's a politician military veteran and former United States Representative. Our elected officials are supposed to be in charge of the country that we live in but the more that we learn about the inner workings of government the less that seems to be true. So who is really running the show and what will the future of America look like for those who truly hold the power expect to learn what Joe Biden is actually like behind the scenes.
Why RFK Juniors campaign didn't succeed. The reason that Elon Musk sex platform was so important during Trump's assassination attempt the truth behind project 20-25 Tulsi thoughts on Kamala Harris as presidential candidate and much more.
But now ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Tulsi gabbard who actually runs the government in your experience. Not who you think it is.
It's an in many cases, especially recently the troubling part about all this is it's not even people who we vote for when you look at what happened when President Biden had that Infamous debate with President Trump it exposed the reality that many of us have known for a long time, which is that President Biden has not been the guy calling the shots. He has not been the guy making the decisions nor has it been
Will Harris for that matter nor will it be if she is elected president it is this cabal of you know, the Democrat Elite the the woke war mongers made up of the likes of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and you know Tony blinken and Jake Sullivan and you know people who are in the military industrial complex who profit from us being in a constant state of War it is
Those in the administrative State and the National Security State who derive more authorities and ability to take away our Liberty when we are in a heightened state of Crisis or War. It is the their friends and billionaires and people in media who all derive their power from being able to have a figurehead that essentially they can control and the most troubling part about the others.
so many things wrong with this of course, but really at the most fundamental level you look at you know, our country is the oldest democracy in the world, but the reality of a truly functioning and thriving democracy that has brought to life the vision that our Founders had for us that we really have a government of by and for the people and that we have the ability and responsibility for that matter to ensure that the government we have only exists with the
Of the governed that becomes very hard to do to hold people accountable when the person that you voted for is certainly not the one making the decisions. How long is that being the case? Was it ever the case that the president run the country were when was the inflection point a I don't know that there's one specific. I mean there has been you know as personalities come in and shift here and there I would say the answer to that has probably changed but in the election that we are facing here very shortly.
We in the United States. It's our opportunity to hit the reset button and you know, however people feel about the choices in the options that we have and they've changed a little bit recently. But really it's only the faces that have changed the stakes have not changed and and the choice is between the Democrat Elite and I've been saying this for months like hey guys, don't because it's like, oh, is it Biden going to stay or is he going to go and who's either going to replace?
Is it Gavin is it called all of these different theories? They make for good chatter I guess on cable news, but I've been telling people all along don't be distracted. You know, you take one horse out you put another horse in you've got the same people who are running the show and it is it is between the Democrat Elite will be Kamala Harris on the ballot and and the those calling the shots behind the scenes continuing to remain in power versus
Donald Trump who has a record of I mean the reason why they're doing all they can to destroy them is because he won't bend the knee to this Washington establishment, which is which is made up of people in both political parties. By the way. What makes you think that a trump presidency would be any more inoculated against this nefarious behind the scenes control than the one that we have at the moment surely. You're just if the people out front don't make any difference because it's people behind the scenes.
The changing them what makes Trump any better than what we've got at the moment. It's not that anyone who's put out front doesn't make a difference. It is specific to in this in this world that we're living in now specific to President Biden and vice president Kamala Harris. And and the reason why they've been doing all they can to try to keep Trump off the ballot and over 32 states all of the court cases in lawsuits and everything that the media is thrown out of the reason why they're doing
thing that is because you may agree or disagree with his decisions or his policies or the way that he talks about things but he is he is not beholden to those same establishment interests that so many of these establishment politicians are and so, you know, he's not going in and saying, oh gosh. Well I got to do what this person says. I got to do what that person says, I think often
Times even his own staff doesn't know what decision he's kind of make or what position he'll he'll put forward and and that is to me. That's the Clear Choice. You have a choice between those who believe that that government knows better for us than we do that their power is more important than our freedom that their power in many cases derives from being in a constant state of war that undermines our national security versus Trump who has the ability to
And frankly the backbone to say yeah. No, I'm not going to go down that road or we're going to take a different path or we shouldn't be an unnecessary counterproductive regime change Wars. We should focus on investing in our country and try to work towards a future of Peace and Freedom and prosperity if that's correct. If it is the case that this sort of Limp flaccid Democratic party has permitted people behind the scenes to come and basically run puppeteer.
That are out front that's happened very quickly because it was not that long ago that we had the very guy that you're saying will sanitize this thing in office. So is it going to then take a long time for that to be cleaned up? And also how do we know that some of this didn't already exist. It did already exists. Okay, it did already exist because the party Elite itself has been very powerful for a long time. So that that hasn't come around very quickly.
And you know, I think I think one of the problems when President Trump was elected last time was and he's talked about this himself. He came in and you know, he didn't never worked in Washington before and he had a bunch ended up with a bunch of people around him who were a part of this establishment this Washington establishment. Do you think he didn't really have that much of a plan do you think it was a surprise to him that he got it in some ways it I don't know who for sure, but it certainly
No, he seems that way. Yeah, and and you know, I mean there there and there were and they kind of interesting because the conversations that I'm hearing coming from even establishment Republicans right now are very similar to the ones that I heard in 2016 when Trump was elected, which was okay, like we gotta we gotta like balance the scales in their words by surrounding Trump with people who hold completely opposing.
Views than he does to try to mitigate what they view as the the quote-unquote threat that he poses to not the country. Who was it that saying that we need to surround him? Oh, I mean there's it's basically like the neocon war mongers even within the Republican party. So and what do they see is the position he holds that the trying to counter but that he and and he's been pretty vocal about this like he's like, no, we're not going to wage more stupid Wars and we're going to put America first.
His words and we will achieve that through by peace through strength. Who wants War and why they would be shocked by how many people do and they won't say I want war or I like to see more people dead. Of course, you know, they won't use those words, but there are politicians who are beholden to the big defense contractors who are making billions and trillions of dollars.
And they are their political donors and their supporters and their friends and and ultimately it's those politicians whose knee-jerk reaction to any Challenger situation in the world instead of choosing diplomacy and seeing War as the last resort. Once you've exhausted all other means understanding how costly it is both in lives and in taxpayer dollars, it's just hey we got
Go
and punish. This bad guy topple this regime, you know wage this modern modern day Siege through economic sanctions and warfare all of the tools that they have at their disposal without thinking through what the cost and consequences of those actions and policies are presumably on the ground and also economically domestically to both it seems these people and it's by the way it's not reflective of I think especially over these last 20 plus years.
Here's the vast majority of Americans regardless of political party or sick and tired of this so their view is not reflective. They're not just like oh, well, this is what the the quote-unquote People Want it is ultimately it goes back to this kind of cabal of power that they're trying to hold on to do you think that those people I struggle to find a meet people that a genuinely evil this people that have got goals and then they're kind of
Risky and frivolous on Route toward getting those goals. You think our this is just collateral damage who really cares. I'm getting my back under from Raytheon or whoever the fuck but it seems surprising to me that someone would think I want to go to war. So do you think that these people that are pushing for it genuinely believe that it's in the best interests of the country have they been able to Gaslight themselves this Stockholm Syndrome from whoever is sort of continuing.
To fund them or is it something a little bit more malicious that they actually sort of trying to land grab or this sort of odd power game that imagine imagine. It feels powerful for you to be America and few to have a foothold here and have a foothold there. If you got any idea what kind of motivates these people I think they tell themselves whatever they need to tell themselves to sleep at night, but as someone who's been, you know, I still serve in the Army today. I've been deployed to war zones and different parts of the world.
Old seeing and experiencing firsthand the harsh ugliness and realities of war in the cost.
The people who are so quick to go to war and see that as the first response rather than the last.
Number one. They don't have any excuse II don't believe everybody should be it's mandatory to serve them. I'm not I don't advocate for that. But you you if you are in a position to make these decisions about War and Peace you need to be very responsible and do your due diligence to actually truly understand what the consequences of those decisions will be might be worth a quick visit to the front lines. Maybe they do those all the time for photo Ops II saw
all this while I while I was deployed and I've seen a bunch even when I was in Congress for eight years or you know, they'll go and they'll do like we'll stop here in this war zone for 12 hours and hop off the private plane and take some quick photos and you know where your flak vest and the and the helmet, you know for the picture but it's you know, it's visually impressive but like I realistically unimpressed. Yeah, I mean, it looks really goofy to me. But you know for them it tells the gods take a pause. I've heard that like I've been to
Rack 27 times. It's like, okay like yeah condition jet was and yet and yet even those who are saying this are some of the very same people who are saying like we should just go bomb this country to Smithereens like, okay, like there's maybe a really problem a real big problem that we're dealing with here. But is that really is that really the right answer? Is that the best answer what what happens as the second and third and fourth order of effects after?
We do what you're proposing. What will the costs and consequences be again in human lives in the economy and in all of these other ramifications that a responsible leader should be considering before you go and advocate for such a serious thing. So it seems like you've got Democratic party not happy with Trump generally some factions of the Republican party not happy with Trump's it seems like you know and Nikki Haley, you know, just to put a name to Nikki Haley is is one of kind of the the
figureheads of that faction within the Republican Party. Hmm. So Nikki Haley is driving forward this neocon. Yeah very much. So warmongering. Yeah. How come she still there? Because there are people with a lot of money.
Who make money from that position or supporting that position?
and they see again the I don't know what they tell themselves to be able to sleep at night and be comfortable with what they're doing, but they they have convinced themselves that this is the way things should be that's what makes me think that it is self Convention as opposed or Self Conviction as opposed to Leading this sort of double life why you know that it's wrong and then you go out front because the level of
Auntie that you need to be able to step out in front of the camera and we should do this we need to do that you go home and you drink yourself into a hole because there would be for me the you know, just straight up multiple personality disorder that I'd have to go through would break my brain in half. I don't think that's a good person. Well other people would would disagree but yeah, I know what you mean like it's just but it's like, okay. Well II get what you're I get what you're what you're driving at and you know, like, okay. Well, how do you define?
Who was evil or driven by evil intent? I would argue that that even if there's not like some Jekyll and Hyde situation going on. I would Define that evil intent as someone who cares more about their position their political position or their power or their influence and and and I definitely in certain cases in this is why Kamala Harris would be so dangerous as president Commander in Chief because I have no
Doubt in my mind, she would immediately feel the need to exert strength and to assert her position and prove that she is a truly strong and powerful Commander in Chief of the United States of America's military. And what better way to do that what more effective way to do that than to actually use our military and go out and and you know commit an act of War so that sort of need to prove yourself makes you quite easy to manipulate in some ways. It makes you fragile
Yes, especially when you have so many interests and this is not new. This is you know, you heard Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex in their influence and their cozy relationship with members of Congress. You go back to President John F Kennedy and his brother Bobby Kennedy who were battling against even four-star generals and civilians who were beating the war drum saying go to war go to war go to war, you know President Kennedy's compelling speech at American.
Varsity about peace and the hard work that it takes towards peace was the push back against that and that that is not that doesn't only exist today. It's far more far more powerful today than even it was back then going back to what you mentioned before which was the fact that everybody knew behind the scenes, but nobody was talking about front which was the declining mental health of Biden. Yeah. Just how widespread was that internally. Do you think?
I mean it was impossible to ignore and we can compartmentalize and keep him away. We don't let him out front. That's a cheap fake edit. That's what everything. I think. That's the challenge though is they even as they did all of that it wasn't enough to try to hide his his, you know, both physical and mental decline. You know, I was with him on the debate stage in 2020 when I was running for president, and I've known Joe
Biden for a very long time as friends with his son who also served in the Army National Guard and
you know people say have asked me like did you see signs of this back in 2020s? No, I mean is the same Joe Biden that but I'd known for for many many years and I think recently someone did a side-by-side of of his performance on the debate stage in 2020 versus now and how significant that difference is. So I, you know even hearing Kamala Harris and the people around him and you know Morning Joe on MSNBC so, you know,
He's never been sharper and he's in the best form. He's ever been in his life. Like anybody who knows him now and certainly has known him over the years knew that that was all it was all crap. We've all seen those photos of before term and after to I mean even Obama, oh, yeah entered as this sort of vibrant handsome black guy and he comes out and you go that's two decades in eight years. Congratulations will job. Yeah, of course every every president every
Every president that served so obviously when you're in your late 70s it just imagine the toll the truthless. So this is something about to make one of the most unpopular cases that the internet is going to hear this year. Every time that I've seen this sort of commentary around Biden's decline. It's made me feel sad you made me feel uncomfortable as I watch this. And for two reasons first one is the one that everybody kind of agrees with which is it's an older man who's sort of being forced.
By this organization to be the tip of the spear when he's evidently not capable of doing it and blah blah blah, but the other side is this is the Twilight of his career. Yeah, and people remember the thing that you left them with the Lasting Impression is often the one that kind of continued through and you know, you've got you can make whatever criticisms you want about what he's actually done or said throws crowd. I don't really know that much but I know the way that people socially interpret signals from others and to think that you've got this got how long's he been to like five?
Five decades or something. He's been in it forever think he was the youngest u.s. Senator ever elected when he got elected to the US Senate right? And now he's the oldest president ever. This guy's like the parentheses of US Government. Yes, right, you know that Allah is not fucking Omega. Yeah and to think, you know doesn't matter what you say. That was a very very long career culminating in you getting to the Pinnacle of this and that being this sort of really awful lingering aftertaste that everybody gets out.
About that makes me sad that makes me feel sad for somebody. I don't think that's unpopular at all. I think it's just I mean as humans who have empathy not much of that in political discourse is sadly not and that's that's been I think that has been one of the sad things that I've seen as is, you know, all of the different clips and the footage that's out there that gets replayed over and over and over again and and just the the mocking and the ridicule.
It is it is unfortunate that that that is where today's political discourse has gotten rather than just recognizing exactly what you've said. Like this is it is sad to see any person in this state especially on a global on a global stage. The thing is, I mean, you know, Joe Biden's run for president a few times before you got elected. It's what it's what he's always wanted. This is the Pinnacle of what
Has always wanted to be to achieve that title to be the president of the United States. And so, you know, ultimately he's the guy who made the decision to run. I have no doubt in my mind that he firmly firmly even against other people maybe telling him. He shouldn't run for re-election. Joe Biden is well known to be a very stubborn man a very stubborn man. So the fact that he chose to run he chose to stay and he chose to run for re-election.
You know, I'm sure there are people I know there are people around him who benefited from him staying but that was that was his decision. That's why so few people are going to give him any sympathy for what's happened because you go you already know that you're in Decline. You already know the end. If this is true if it is the case that he wants to run it with it's not Jill, you know, Mary and Mary. I'm sure she's got a role to play in editor mouthing him behind the scenes or whatever that he is.
Continuing even now, you know, and then you actually get yourself into a much more awful conversation, which is is he cognizant of exactly what he's potentially trying to sign himself up for like a we talking about, you know, someone who's really really detached. I have no idea. But yeah, I mean, what a what an absolute it the fact that the Joe Biden Hunter Biden Jill Biden story makes Trump's reality TV campaign actually just look like one.
Smooth Arc between it all, you know stuff behind the scenes and stories what's going on in Ukraine? And as this deal there was a backhander and all of these photos and those a laptop. Then you go like this country is mantle like this country's crazy and and the worst thing I mean all of this is deeply troubling but when you really look at it who you know, who's forgotten along the way and this whole narrative, you know, it's
It's the everyday working man and woman who's struggling to get by its you know, the fact that we have more and more kids graduating from high school functionally illiterate a failing education system that you you know, open borders and everything that's happening because of that the the real issues that that are actually affecting everyday Americans lives are too often lost or go on her the their voices go unheard because of all of this other stuff.
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Modern wisdom. What does lots of stuff to distract us from it ya know if there were fewer stories to talk about we wouldn't be talking about them. So yeah, is it the chicken or the egg? I think one of the most interesting things you were Vice President of the DNC and then 11 years later. Spoke at CPAC still is a Democrat. Yeah slightly non typical trajectory whole life is of course. Can you explain that are yeah. Yeah.
I've always been a very fiercely independent minded person even in you know, I served as a state representative in Hawaii for one term. I served as a member of the Honolulu city council had a district with over about 100,000 people and dealing with literally things like potholes and sewers and parks and Public Safety and then I served in Congress for eight years and throughout that entire period I was a day
MC rat and always a very independent-minded one. I was asked to serve as Vice chair of the DNC roughly two weeks after I was sworn in as a member of Congress the freshest of freshmen. Yes. And literally when I got the call and was an evening I was sitting in the back. I'm pretty sure there was Uber back then. I don't know. I was sitting in the back of a taxi or something and I got a call saying would you serve as Vice chair of the DNC?
And my response literally was like what is a vice chair of the DNC? What do you what do you really asking me? What do you what do you want me to do but I you know agree to do it take advantage of you know, I believe in taking advantage of opportunities and saying hey, how where how and where can I make a positive impact and ended up resigning from that position in 2016 when I saw a couple of pretty problematic things.
Things in that election number one how completely not only the chair chairwoman of the democratic party at that time was rigging the primaries for Hillary Clinton and against any other candidate and how both in the party as well as across the mainstream media. They were universally touting Hillary Clinton as the most qualified person ever to run for president in our nation's history.
And and no one qualified that with these ago should they read off her Litany of titles, but they never qualified it with like her actual record. What did she do in these? Yeah. She does. She has had a lot of fancy titles in her in her life. But what did she actually do when she was when she was in these positions and again as a soldier as an American I I felt it was my responsibility to try to speak the truth about her record. She is the queen of War.
There's never been a war that she hasn't liked and hasn't advocated for been the architect of in all of these different positions. So I resigned as Vice chair, you're not supposed to take sides as an officer of the party, even though people clearly were I resigned as Vice chair of the DNC endorsed Bernie Sanders at that time specifically around this singular issue of War and Peace and foreign policy. Seeing how starkly different Hillary and Bernie were on that issue and and use use that platform as an
Me to be a Voice of Truth. So at least Democrat voters would know who they were voting for and what kind of President and commander-in-chief they would be if you go from that election in 2016 to I think it was 20 22 that I yeah, it was I think the summer of 2022 that I spoke at CPAC.
The message that I delivered there would have been very similar to a message. I would have delivered in 2016 about Freedom about civil liberties and about ensuring our security and keeping us out of counterproductive costly regime change Wars It's funny because the the organizers of CPAC at that time they were too afraid to call me directly to invite me so they went through a friend.
Who tested the waters like would you be open? I was like yeah. Sure. I'll go talk to anybody. Why not. I had some Republican friends of mine. Even after I said, yes call me and say like what are you doing? Like I won't even go and speak that crap when I got there the the organizers and I was about to go out and speak. They're like, we're going to walk you on the stage. It's like I can walk. I'm good. Like well, we just don't know what he's like. Are you afraid?
Frayed people are going to throw food at me or what like maybe we really don't know. It's a lively crowd. But so anyway, they walked me out and I gave my speech and I got a standing Applause and afterward went out and just was kind of walking around talking to people and I was really moved by how many people some strong Trump supporters other, you know, we're in the red hat and everything and others. I don't know maybe not. I don't know but just people
A saying that the message I delivered was very unifying and one that resonates with everybody regardless of your political leanings or should resonate with everyone regardless of your political leanings or affiliation. And you were a Democrat still at this. Yeah. I was I ended up I ended up leaving the Democrat and announcing my departure from the Democratic party later that year, but it wasn't something that I
You know even was planning at that time that I gave that speech. Why do you think that you are so popular with conservatives given Bernie as far left as left goes only a couple of minutes ago to see pack standing Round of Applause. What is the think it's because the first of all going back to 2016 after Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton in that election. There were a lot of Bernie supporters that
voted for Donald Trump people who were driven by a more populist message of working people and peace and investing in our communities in our societies and so forth.
You know, I think that the Democratic party has gone so far away from its roots to the point now where you know, someone like me if I say, I love my country and we should defend the right to free speech for everyone. We should uphold the Constitution. We should ensure we actually do have a true thriving democracy that you may say something that I find to be abhorrent. I will
And you're right to say that these are all things that are completely unpopular in today's Democratic party. And that is something that that has radically changed and I think a lot of it started in a lot of us are I think in 2016 when Trump got elected that the Democratic party took a rapid shift away from the party that I joined over 20 years ago. It's unrecognizable today. How does that explain your particular sort of?
of acceptance and attraction of conservative people
because the thing that I think the Republican Party are conservatives maybe not the Republican party as a whole but I would say those who call themselves conservatives are very much rooted in those fundamental principles of the Constitution and freedom and limited government and go live your own life that once existed as kind of those traditional liberal values in the Democratic Party.
And so you'll all I hear conservatives all the time saying, you know, we miss those traditional liberal values that President John F Kennedy held and imagine how quickly he would be drummed out of the democratic party of today for for the things that he stood for and and so, you know, I think it goes back to the basics it goes back to the foundations. It goes back to the Constitution and how conservatives are very much rooted in.
That whereas the Democratic party is not only gone so far away from it. You're seeing now the news of the day as we're sitting here is how President Biden and Kamala Harris and the Democrats are trying to reshape the third co-equal branch of government in the Supreme Court and to exert control over it. What will these that I don't understand we have you know, we have the executive branch, which is the presidency.
the president leads and all of the federal agencies that found to the executive you have the legislative branch, which is Congress house and the Senate and then the third co-equal branch is the judicial system the Pinnacle of which is the Supreme Court Democrats don't like a lot of the decisions that are coming out of this Supreme Court lately one of which by the way was a unanimous decision came few months ago saying no you are no state is allowed to
To remove President Trump or any candidate from a ballot that needs to be decided by the American people. The Democrats hated that decision. They are trying to Institute term limits. I think it was I don't know. It was 14 years or 16 years or something like that. They're putting out there. There are like five different things at the Democrats want to put in place that would either the full Teen or 16. Your term limit is like just speaks to how long these people are in like. Oh my God, we can't have it only 14 years.
Am I going to do in my late 90s? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, you have some judges have been appointed in their late 40s. The the I think the underlying issue here is you know, we know that if the Supreme Court was more aligned with decisions and policies that the Democrat Elite support, they would not be introducing any of these quote-unquote reforms and it just it just it again it goes back to the
Constitution and in the legislative branch and the executive branch trying to exert power and control over this system that that exists to serve as a check on balance. So no single one of these over extends itself to the other and you're an independent now, yes, why did RFK not get the momentum? They should have been he's a independent. He's sort of I'm aware that that covers a broad range of
Sins, but what did you make of his campaign? Why did he not catch? Perhaps the winds that people were thinking he might do.
I think there's probably a lot they think there's a lot of reasons that go into it the fact that he started running for president and the Democratic primary. I mean he is he is I don't know actually if he still calls himself a Democrat or not. I actually don't know that I know he's running as an independent but like Bernie is an independent who ran as a Democrat, so whatever these are labels, but you know, he switched strategies pretty late in the game.
Number one number two, the two party system is completely bought in and trying to prevent a viable third-party from challenging either one of them. We've seen that play out already. So in order to you know, obviously we haven't seen it done successfully in our country. But in order to even have a shot at it in my view you would have had to have started and had a very strong strategy to do that much longer before
He did have a lot more money. You'd need a ton of money because you're not only battling the Republican Party in the Democrat Party. You're battling the entire mainstream media machine and and and having to you gotta have the money to be able to break through all of that. It's I mean, it's a huge feet and that you can see it's a huge task and what to speak of getting on the ballot are of K is not on the he's not on the ballot and
All 50 states. I don't know what his current count is, but even States that had previously accepted his signatures and have said okay, we're going to be on the ballot. He's fighting legal challenges and lawsuits in many of those States. When are those going to be resolved? I don't know. You don't have a long very tough. It's a tough situation yet talking of those sort of swings and moves. It does I think create just confusion and people like didn't and easy sort of simple narrative and to what where were you and what we do,
Form what's actually going on? Right? So given that you've had sort of some pretty big swings over the last decade or so how do people know that that is coming from a place of principles motivation and not a desire for power and just more attention my foundation and principles haven't shifted. They have always been rooted. They have always been rooted in for me the reason why
A Iran is you know, how can I best be of service to the American people and rooted in those principles of freedom and liberty peace and security and you know, my challenging even leaders of my own party President Obama was the president he had just gotten re-elected the year that I was elected to congress. He was president from my home state of Hawaii originally and you know what the I think the
The first example or sign to the leaders of the democratic party when I was elected to congress that I wasn't just gonna be a popular follower toe the party line, you know go along get along that whole thing. It came within the first six months of my being in Congress when President Obama said he was going to come seek authorization from Congress to go and start a new regime change war in Syria. I
sitting on the Foreign Affairs committee and you know did all my due diligence and briefings and hearings and all of these things and ultimately concluded that this would be a very bad idea that that could end up in disaster and said so publicly. I mean this this was why I ran for Congress to actually be in a position to at least influence impact or make those decisions to prevent us from making those
Costly mistakes of the past that had taken the lives of people that I served with immediately upon. I was first Democrat first Democrat to speak out against President Obama's request and within 24 hours got a call from the White House not saying hey Tulsi. Can you just explain to us? Like what's your thought process? Why are why are you coming out in such strong opposition? What what are we not sharing that you've whatever there was none of that. It was just how
how dare you go against your president period why are you not a team player essentially and it was a betrayal of the party. They viewed it as a betrayal of the party and a betrayal of President Obama rather than seeing it for what it was which was a very serious disagreement on the policy that that he was putting forward very tribal internally very much. So do you miss it?
Which parts all the the but I don't know what the daily routine of I don't if I don't miss that, you know, and then this is I didn't run for re-election that last year that I was in Congress. I don't miss how dysfunctional it has become an it's gotten vastly more dysfunctional, you know in those later years, but especially now even when I was there, you know, when I was there I passed my first piece of legislation very quickly under as a freshman Democrat and
Public and couldn't controlled Congress because at that time you could still build relationships and get things done actually solve problems. That's a rare very rare thing to see these days.
I think that there are many people who are just not interested in it. They're more interested in the talking point or fighting the so-called fight instead of saying hey, you know, let's figure this out and put our heads together. There are some who are afraid of being criticized for working with someone from the other party. There's a lot of different factors and screamed a lot of tribalism again this sort of inability or unpreparedness.
And that at its core what does it come down to it comes down to people who are putting their own self-interest or their political interests ahead of the interest of the country and our and the American people, which is really like, that's the whole reason why you should be there. And so for those reasons for those reasons, I don't miss it. What what I what I do miss and there's been a there's been a couple of situations over this past, you know little almost four years since
Left the withdrawal from Afghanistan and the disastrous and tragic fires that happened in Maui and Hawaii in those those two situations as I saw either in action or lack of true accountability. I thought man if I could only be on that armed services committee questioning those General officers and the Secretary of Defense about all that they
did wrong in that in that withdrawal and and the fact that even still there hasn't been any kind of true accountability or oversight over the multiple layers of failures that occurred for people who were in I'm who I served when I was in Congress for eight years in Hawaii. It seems like the pace of everything is ramping up at the moment, whether it's the sort of vitriol and tribalism that's happening internally whether it's the inflammatory.
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trick of just normal people online whether it's the pace that memes mover just just think for a second that in the last six weeks. We went from Hawk to ago now to to which there's been this weird intersection between the hog to a girl in political memes by the way. Oh, yeah, white one in the same straight into the Biden senile. Look at the debate thing straight into Trump gets shot in the ear straight back into JD vans in
To bind steps down Kamala now as about like in and now by the way the latest one of today and yesterday is if you type in Donald Trump assassination attempt, nothing comes up in the Google algorithm yet. They put out a staffing to put out a statement about that. Oh the a I had Miss labeled something at mischaracterized something like that. I don't know whether that was Gemini re racing the founding fathers there. Was that did you see Trump talking about how Christians?
We'll never have to vote again. I star clip I didn't see the speech or the context but I saw a clip. Okay, so there is a section of a trump speech where he says in four years. You don't have to vote again.
And many many Clips stop there. Hmm. The next sentence is we'll have it fixed so good. You won't have to vote again. Mmm, so, you know in a world of cheap fakes and stuff like that, but it just seems to me that
On top of that as well. We also had he was the guy that called out Elon Musk recently. It was Gavin Newsom said that you are right. He wanted legislation to stop a i manipulated speech going on there. Well make it selective editing is able to achieve the same outcome. Is there something that particularly special about chopping together words that somebody did say versus actually creating from you know, an AI G PT. Yeah something that
He didn't say it's just it doesn't surprise me that the general public is becoming kind of despondent. And I think one of the things that you get is not people really being convinced by any one narrative, but just sort of holding the hands up and going I'm I just don't trust anything now. I'm just confused and kind of a bit nihilistic and I'm disengaged and I think that you're seeing especially I know that this is the fact Young
Men, specifically gen Z man are more likely to say that no particular political Pursuit. No particular political issue is of great importance to them than ever before and so they're just very very sort of stepped back were also this is coinciding with a movement away from left-leaning beliefs amongst man that a gen Z as well. I had the guy that did the original research on that and did the original analysis of all of the data I had him
Tim come on the show fascinating. Yeah fascinating look, but yeah, I think I think part so I have a few thoughts on some of the things that you're saying. First of all you you really cannot blame people for feeling that way. I completely completely understand it. I feel that way sometimes and I you know every day is just, you know, having to to look at look at all of this stuff that's going on. I think it's a positive.
If step for people to be generally distrusting of everything that they're being everything that's being thrown at them. I think that is actually a positive step versus people blindly believing like, oh I saw this on TV therefore, it must be true, even though that's still happens. The more we have people knowing that they have to be critical thinkers and exercise some kind of analysis whatever they're being.
I told by whatever side is a positive step, you know, the thing about gen Z men in particular not finding resonance with any political issue. I think this is where there's there's work that has to be done to you. I mean, you know, I have a lot of friends who are like I hate politics. I don't want to have anything to do with politics. But therefore there's for some reason a disconnect between
You know quote-unquote politics versus like the things that affect you in your everyday life that actually are very much directly connected to what kind of people we are electing into office either by voting for or against or by just staying home staying home and not voting is a political action in and of itself. And so, you know, of course at the basic level it's taxes at the basic level. It's the health and well-being of
our communities and our schools, you know, a lot of parents and families have been activated over these last few years around the whole, you know, boys playing against girls and girls Sports and you see that there's two boxes and the Olympics this morning unreal unreal exhibit a it's just look I think and anyone who has an open mind can see that Insanity for what it is. I think that it's going to take a little bit of
Time to overcome the conceptual inertia of what there's people that are biologically male competing in female sports. That's strange like our God, right? Okay, like actually legislating against this across each different sporting body is going to take a long time and that's just going to play catch-up. But if there was a Frontline if there was a Vanguard of sports, it would be the ones that involve punching each other in the face. You would think like that that should be you know, I mean swimming swimming did the thing at
18 years old whatever it is medians stage 3. If you get past whatever something of puberty you can't do it. I'm a crocodile that it but yes good to get all sports on board with that. But let's prioritize the one way you punch each other with your hands like that seems like and yeah, these two athletes failed then gender tests. I think it was called a sex tests only within the last couple of years and then because the
the ioc don't abide by the same type of testing protocol of the same procedures. I saw one of them fuck up. Yeah girl earlier on today. Yeah.
And that something like that especially, you know in this age of even the corporate cancel culture something like that will only change if enough people actually speak up and criticize it and call it out for what it is and how dangerous it actually is. I think the change that we saw in swimming happened specifically because of that there were female swimmers who who were the tip of the spear and who are the tip of the spear?
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modern wisdom talk to me about this and speaking of media and kind of the pace that all of this stuff moves at talk to me about this Tick Tock bill.
At its core it's it was being sold as a lot of things. Obviously it passed the house and the Senate with bipartisan support has been signed into law by President Biden. So it is now law of the land at its core the thing that you would have only heard people like Ron Paul say or Thomas Massie and the House of Representatives or Rand Paul in the US Senate is actually something that even the ace
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you was focused on which is at its core. It is an anti-free speech Bill and it anytime you give the government the power in this case the president the United States the power to decide what platform you and I are allowed to both exercise our right to free speech on and what platforms we are allowed to gather information from at its core. That's a violation.
Ian of free speech the the other issue that was tied to the usual, you know, that usually the most egregious violations of our liberties occur in the name of National Security keeping us safe Patriot sockets typer act and this was no different and Ron Paul, you know, as usual is very powerful and very correct on this and and his statement that this was the most egregious violation of civil liberties since the Patriot Act was passed.
Last but basically in a nutshell again, I didn't hear a the proponents for this legislation naturally didn't highlight this provision that was in the bill. It's a very small provision but it basically says that the president of the United States alone has the power to designate a firm or a business as being and this is not the exact verbiage but basically an agent of
Of a foreign adversary period And while there are a few different examples of countries that they are calling out as foreign adversaries in theory. Let's say President Biden is there Elon Musk and X are the only platform that are not planned ball with with the White House and and taking their Direction on who they want censored or what words or phrases or narratives. They want censored in theory. Let's say President Biden says, okay Willie all along.
Muscat is doing business with this country that we deem as a for an adversary and has I think I don't know what the percentage of the business interest was but it was a quite low bar and therefore his platform needs to be shut down because I as president deem his Association. I deem him to be an agent of a foreign adversary period there's no well, there's no there's no
way to appeal that there's no there's no recourse from that for a guy like Elon Musk for example, and obviously, he's the most prominent example now and something that he even spoke out about in warning about the consequences of this legislation. And those are the two primary major problems with that legislation that again go back to the fundamentals in the foundations and very often. It's like, oh we need to protect kids there. We need to protect people from disinformation.
We need to protect our security and all of these arguments that that were at the Forefront of those who are proponents of this bill again from both sides, but you know, even those who had good intentions.
If you're not making those decisions that are rooted in these fundamental freedoms that make us who we are in this country and that that that are the pillars of the founding of our country. This is how we continually find ourselves in positions. Just as with the Patriot Act again many people with good intentions voted for that but we find ourselves in these situations where increasingly our freedoms and Liberties are taken away and very often in the name of what we have to do this to protect you that we find ourselves in a place where
Are we are we are we are not in the free country that we that we thought we had tick-tocks very dangerous. I think and a lot of people have problems with that. I'm not a fan of it. I think that it's almost certainly trying to craft a narrative that makes people in the west hate the West. I know that there is a Chinese sort of kale version of it that's restricted at certain times and the sorts of stuff that's pushed through the algorithm isn't shown in the same kind of away. So given the fact that
You're stuck between a rock and a hard place, which is we have foreign power. The definitely does not have the West's interests at heart owning the fastest growing social media, which most young people use and get their news from and get their insights from and all of the rest of it data facial mapping microexpression detection to really really ramp up the limbic. Hijack of how this algorithm works. If all of that which presumably are not that much of a fan of like in and of itself even though you might support it principally and then you have the other side which is
Is this bill which contravenes and set the precedent that you're worried about what he like I choose freedom. I choose Freedom it because then where do you draw the line? If you have a government that says you are only allowed to get information from these sources and not any other sources than
They are taking away our our Free Will and our own faculty to get information for ourselves and make decisions for ourselves. So in this you know, this this environment of information Warfare, I mean the answer is to you know, the answer to speech and situations that you don't like is always more speech. That's so anytime anytime because okay. Well today they're talking about Tick Tock and China. What is
Going to be tomorrow. What country or What entity or what platformer what business is it going to be interesting how it's a difficult precedent. I think that we have such a unique pipeline at the moment of saying that, you know countering bad speech with good speeches a good idea, but when particular types of speech get algorithmically suppress that leads to a world in which the good speech is essentially non-existent speech which again goes back to okay?
I so we have X as the one social media platform that is not playing that game. This legislation has put the Power into the hands of the president to essentially be able to take that platform away. I don't know so we assume and this this is the danger and this is the difference between a free Society versus an authoritarian Society is when you put the this kind of power into the hands of government you would
That they would do the right thing. But in every situation that we've seen there are people in positions of power in our own government here in the United States who choose to do the wrong thing and weaponize those authorities that have been put into law to serve their own political interests to serve their own Financial interests to serve their own interests of remaining in power and ultimately in doing so taking away our
Freedom what would you do? Let's say that this didn't get past repealed. Whatever. There are a lot of people that have concerns about Tick-Tock, especially parents. Yeah and what it's doing to their kids. What would you suggest if you have you got any suggestions? Okay. We don't do this. Yeah, people do have to they're going to be exposed to it. I think that the comparison with X is kind of fur, but on the other side anybody that's looked at X and looked at Tick-Tock knows one of them is way harder to swipe off and it's tick tock is this / -
An endless feed how stuff and it will Design and one that's where and this is and this is one where I think there was and there still is there there should be opportunity to get bipartisan support in dealing with all of these different social media companies that ultimately are all finding ways to profit off of our attention and and selling our attention and interest to improve their bottom line.
And kids often and you know, there's been multiple studies done about how this is affecting them. The social dilemma documentary was very very powerful. And and so I think there is an opportunity to look there especially as we look at how these how these algorithms and these platforms are affecting young people and kids to I don't know what exactly that looks like in the end. But that's a very real conversation. I think that can and should be had both from from the standpoint.
Of how this impacts kids and and also just from the standpoint of basic privacy that if I'm going to go and you know use a social media platform. I should have the right to know how my information and my attention to the things that I'm choosing to spend time looking at is being monetized and and and frankly like how even an American company is taking that information and selling it to the highest bidder of any other country in the world that that may or may not have our
nation's best interest at heart. It's such a difficult one because you know, I can see I really can't see both sides and it seems like I think a lot of people maybe sort of center right, you know kind of working class P. I don't like what my kids are being fed on this Chinese social media thing and I also don't like increased State ability to stop me. So they're kind of like, yeah, that's always split the brain in our I think again, this is where this is where also I think it's important to have as a central point.
his conversation especially as it comes to kids is is like government shouldn't be the end-all be-all answer and I know there are parents and we're working with exactly and and some parents are taking action working with their schools and you know taking phones away from kids while they're at school and but but ultimately it's like okay, if you're a parent you've placed this phone into the hands of your child and there's there's a responsibility that goes with those decisions it would be
Be so interesting to see a full phone ban in schools. I know that the sun schools that are sort of putting that out. Now the physically you cross the threshold maybe it has to go into a locker or once you get past a particular pressure of the whatever. But yeah, I mean, I'm just so glad I would make a huge different would make a huge difference we must well, I mean the differences are the choice at the moment apparently is between kids either using their phones or vaping. There's like no vaping in class signs because that's apparently a sufficiently big deal that it needs to be.
Legislated by the school's so odd. So he was the other thing and I've been thinking about this quite a lot especially given that everyone's over the fact that the ex the former president got shot in the head only three weeks ago shot in the head by an actual gun with an actual bullet in it.
X during that time was it was the first time I even in the town square and it's very important for people to have this opportunity and free speech and blah blah and I was like, yeah, I know but you need is other areas you can get your information and that was one day where I thought oh this serves the most unique purpose because I wasn't going to Instagram. I wasn't going to Facebook. I wasn't going to get it on threads. I wasn't gonna get it on Tick Tock. I was 48 Hours checking every 20 minutes.
On X find out what had happened and that was the place that I went with. Okay, that's that. It serves a very unique purpose. Yeah in that way and even in this specific example, that was where I first saw and learned about it and it came from videos that you know iPhone videos that people were posting and seeing how that information was was relayed in real time and how different it
Was from the headlines the very first headlines that we saw coming out of, you know, CNN MSNBC even a p and a lot of these mainstream news outlets, you know, it was it was so Stark to see the difference between like clearly if you have if you have heard shots fired before like I know that sound and as soon as I saw video with with sound it's like, oh he the multiple shots fired. Yeah, and then too.
To flip over to CNN and be like President Trump fell to the ground and popping sounds were heard. It took several hours before they would even issue one headline that said, you know, there was an assassination attempt or even just that there were shots fired at a trump rally. What's the so I understand that that that was the headline some people would say the Prudence during a time when you're uncertain
wanting to cause too much public Panic all the rest of it would maybe be a good strategy. What is the why would they do that yet? What's the straw man case for a what's the nefarious case for why you do word trying to make Trump look silly at a time. Where?
The Fox News had been making Biden look silly for falling down on the stage and and drawing some kind of parallel to make Trump look weak. It's so shooting site it I mean, I agree my God, I agree because you're gonna have to change the headline at some point and you know that Jack perso because someone else is going to screenshot input. It's obvious. The interesting though is the interesting thing though is you saw that happening just after the shooting occurred and for several hours.
Hours after and then you see Christopher Ray the FBI director in front of Congress saying wow, we still the other day. We still don't know if he was actually hit by a bullet or maybe it could have been a glass Shard or maybe it could have been shrapnel or it could have been this or that and this was just like in the last 72 hours several days after the shooting had occurred everyone agreed that the shots were fired. Unfortunately. Someone was killed others seriously injured
Um, you know, how incredibly irresponsible it was for the director of the FBI all we had to If he if he still wasn't sure at this point, which I find shockingly hard to believe why wouldn't he just say, you know, I can't comment on this or we're still investigating this or whatever the case may be. I think that these things the this was not an unforced error on his part. It was an attempt to cast.
Out on President Trump's integrity and to make light of the seriousness of what had just occurred because the difference between actually being hit by a bullet and being hit by a piece of glass. That was first hit by a bullet Meant to hit you is symbolically and well you look at the narratives, right you look at all you look at what President Trump in his in his nomination acceptance speech at the Republican convention. I believe he said something like I took a
It for democracy something along those lines and it was after several days. After that that you have the director of the FBI and many others by the way. I know Miss MBC enjoy read she's like we still don't know if he was actually shot the calling into question and and making it appear that this was some it was it was fueling something that I saw dramatically High number of of Democrats. I don't know. It's like
30-something percent believe that President Trump staged the whole thing. So I it all feeds into that I think was sufficiently far away from the blast radius of that event for me to put up like month. This is even more of an unpopular opinion. Okay, right. Okay, the internet's not mad at me enough already. So
about the third of Democrats did or still do believe that this was staged that it was kind of a false flag type event in order to bolster Trump's machismo and his positive standing with the electorate and everybody that got to see that one of the ironic things more critical person than me might say is odd for people on the right to have a problem with need.
A conspiracy theories around presidential assassinations because there has been a little bit of a culture some would say over large events like that. Maybe being knee jerked by people on the right to say well how do we know that? This was actually the case and so on and so forth. So the Pearl clutching that I saw how could you he was shot in the ear by a crazy in cell with a gun? How could you say that? I thought hey look I don't think that that should ever be the thing that said.
But it does feel a little bit Rich coming from the side that quite often is a little bit fast and loose with throwing conspiracy theories or whether it's the basement of a pizza company that's holding children hostage, you know, pick your favorite one of choice. It did seem a little I found that interesting the sort of like, I think maybe we've so yeah, I under I understand the point.
the the the exception I would make to that is
You know one turn of ahead and we would be talking about the now deceased President Trump and his seriousness the seriousness of what obviously played out. Oh, yeah. I mean it was in that that that's you know, and I get it. Yeah, there are theories about everything under the sun these days this this one is one that I believe.
You know sufficiently cut-and-dry that well, it's sufficiently cut and dry but also is one and and you know, you you heard people from across the Spectrum and Democrats and Republicans talking about the seriousness of this and you know, that's a whole other conversation about people who are increasing increasingly divisive and violent rhetoric now saying there's no place for political violence and that's a whole other thing. But it in these moments even if this Emmett look if this had happened
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Can we just try and imagine for a second? What would have happened had Trump's had been one centimeter maybe an inch to the left because that would have been the most by far the best video to sassa nation in history. That would have we would there's never been any you look at how many Zapruder film type thing you have of JFK? Absolutely not. I mean I phone cameras everywhere in every direction and
What do you what do you think would have happened if trumpet actually been hit?
I don't know. I don't know and I think in this environment, you know, I know that that I would like to have what I would like I would like to have seen in the sense of a coming together as Americans after such a tragic situation, but it's honestly it's hard to say.
It's hard to say.
And what just on with whatever the next meme is now, you know people have moved on it blows my mind how quickly people have moved on from the fact that Trump got shot in the head. Yeah, and this just new so it's coconut World coconut Pelt. It's coconut season know, like don't worry. I just go you you've got a few new singers there that I have not heard. That's that's a good one thing that we're gonna build. Yeah. I'm tapped into the Gen Z is that is I'm assuming that's a connection to Kamala Harris and the Coconuts, right? Okay. Yeah. It's
Making sure being broken up held it is this a thing now, I don't lie. I don't know there was that thing Charli XCX something about brat summer? Yeah. I did. She that one. I don't know what brat means. I still don't know what I mean, but it's supposedly good like cool. Yeah, he's like cool. Yeah. I mean anyone that's ever seen that woman's and it's green. Everything has to be green. Why if your brat? Okay, I don't know. Yeah, I mean it just the pace is absurd at the start of the show.
Show Rogan mentioned he said sort of a basically prepare yourself for the next this is the first time that I've been at this level leading up to a presidential election right in the belly of these fucking I mean, this is you want to talk about front lines. This is the front lines right here doing to emergency episodes back-to-back that was doing then the front lines. So one of the other thing is that we saw, you know, was it was it divine intervention that sort of
Save Tremors. It's something else that was going on certainly an interesting angle. I think to the political discourse of the moment is the strained relationship that people on the left have with God and faith and this almost antagonistic relationship with religion and beliefs, but certain religions certain. What do you make of that? How do you sort of have a whole chapter in my book on this exactly?
And and in in that, you know, I talked about how and refer to once again the history of the democratic party and how it really has grown as of late where it was once a party that that there was no aversion to mention of God. There was it was it was in this was the party that I joined. It was a more inclusive party. I welcome people from all different religious backgrounds and faiths.
And different beliefs to now fast forward to it and it was something that happened over time. I mean Jimmy Carter was an Evangelical Christian and even when he was elected president, there were some people around him who are just like, oh, I don't know if this is like too much and this this is something that has increased over time to wear.
In the last Democratic Convention that was held obviously was held virtually during the whole covid thing. But even saying the Pledge of Allegiance, they made a big show of eliminating saying one nation awkward silence refused to say under God didn't know that even as they said the Pledge of Allegiance interesting over Zoom, so
You know seeing seeing how today's Democratic party is, you know, they are targeting Catholics and Christians primarily trying to eliminate like God really any mention of God from from every facet of public life. You had Kamala Harris when she was a Senator on the Judiciary Committee going after an attacking and ultimately opposing nominee.
For a judgeship specifically because he was an observant and devout Catholic and a member of the Knights of Columbus. You look is not the Knights of Columbus. What is it is it is an all-male organization? I don't think it's like it's not govern. I don't know if it's governed by the Catholic church, but it is a Catholic organization Knights of Columbus and it does suck way to let the name my friend, but it's a community.
It's a community like service oriented organization. They you know, they go and do good things in the community essentially, but but it is centered around a very Catholic such as give it a lesson believe dating name is Sons Masonic and dangerous spooky. They did the same thing with a me koni Barrett who's now in the Supreme Court with now since passed away, but Senator Dianne Feinstein warned against her.
when she went for confirmation before the same Judiciary Committee saying, you know, I'm concerned the Dogma lives loudly within you all of these things going against our constitution, which says there shall be no religious test to serve in any public office period
and it's it just it unfortunately it goes against kind of the whole concept of freedom of religion is where you can have your believes you can be atheist agnostic Christian Buddhist Hindu, whatever whatever, you know, your your your choice is that is literally the concept of freedom is not that you're not allowed to practice your religion and public and it's got to be just a private thing. You can do what you want.
was this come from is this a contamination Zone from trying to maybe append some of the history of the United States is it that you know the sort of love of country and patriotism is Right coded and so is maybe religious participation right coded and if we're not that then it means that where the like I don't understand given that there's so many Americans who are
Religious Christian it just seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot and the face. Why would you had it a lot of the things that they're pushing fall into that category because because they don't make sense and and they are so insanely radical that that there are very negative consequences to those policies just that a basic human level. We talked about some of them already, you know, ultimately at its heart and again,
I don't find any logic or rationale to the actual reasonings that they're giving but at its heart when you have a party that is controlled by people who don't believe in objective truth that there are for example that there are biological differences between men and women that they want to be the authority that tells us. What is true. And what is not true. They want to be the authority that tells us what is
Possible information what is not, you know misinformation disinformation hate speech violent speech acceptable speech whatever the case maybe they they see themselves as that Authority and they recognize that those who believe in a higher power. Whatever that may be are not going to buy into them being that higher power or that Authority and and the
You know influencer that people should be concerned with and so at its core that's that is where this is coming from it. It comes back to Power and them seeing those who believe in God or who are following their particular spiritual path or faith as not being willing to bend the knee ^ the Democrat Elite and the positions that they hold in our government. So this is a story about William Tyndale, who is a
Scholar and linguist who was the first person to translate the Bible into common English from the original Hebrew and Greek and what you had when you went to mass was a conduit between you and the priest. So if you as a comment mean you'll come and peasants and we go on Sunday to church service. Our relationship with God is mediated through the priest and because the Bible is not written in the common language we have to go so they're kind of centralized power.
This one forcing point in the middle just the one person that can actually read it and that William Tyndale was persecuted for doing that because the then the relationship had become completely decentralized. It was totally accessible to everybody. Yeah. It doesn't feel too if what you're saying is right. It doesn't feel like that's too dissimilar that you know, if you are able to get your meaning and your trust from Surah direct personal relationship with God, there's not Saudi government. Yeah, then maybe you don't need
Just so much and it's so like if this stuff is true, and I'm too green behind the ears in this country to actually be able to sort of contextualize much of it. It's so unsophisticated and infantile like it's so like an impressive that you know, the people that run the Forefront of culture the country that's behind economic engine and all the rest of the stuff. They America coughs everyone else catches a cold.
All of this that these people are like actually really unsophisticated. Yeah and stupid and they don't understand second or third order consequences. They don't do they care not even trying how which makes it even worse in my view, right? You know, if you've got nothing on him to the respect maybe exactly to like eat like just try do the work try to figure this out and look your ever. We're all human you might make a mistake. You might make a wrong decision. Got it.
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I find it oddly actually quite reassuring that the bar is set so low to kind of clean house. Now. I know that the Dynamics that are in there in the incentives are much stronger. Yeah than the individuals and you sort of take it the whole reason that this system works is that you pluck one person now plug another in and the incentives warp. What would be a may be honest competent person into a useless liar like I get that but I do get the sense that you know, it is salvageable.
Maybe
this is just know it sort of blind white pill Michael. Malice. Hope here but I do I just think God look how useless these people and that's one of the enlightening things. I think I've realized over the last three years as I've climbed up through the echelon of being degenerate Micronesia influencer to wherever I am now and been exposed to people that you know, really rich or powerful or highly regarded or whatever.
Why's that it's actually idiots all the way up. No one really knows what they're doing that much. There's people that are doing it with Goodwill and and potential and trying to do their best but everybody's figuring it out as they go along for the most part. Hopefully not in the Army, but that's reassuring to me cause I think oh god. Well, you know, I have friends that are I think would make unbelievable heads of state. They could be a leader of a great business or do whatever you think oh, but there, who are they to be able to compete with it you go off.
Actually, I can compare them like for like there isn't a secret Source hiding behind and the veil kind of Falls from your eyes a little bit. Yeah, I got this idea called a yogurt lid moment that a friend taught me about so a friend was interviewing a famous atheist in the UK and as his camera guys setting all of the different bits and pieces up the guy that he's speaking to say, so I'm a little bit hungry. Would you mind if I went and got a yogurt said to your house your yogurt please crack on so my friends still there, you know sort of reveal.
During this unbelievable Titan of of podcasting and speaking in literature and stuff and it goes over and watches this guy get a yogurt out of the fridge comes back down. He sits down take the lid off the yogurt looks at it and then licks the lid of the yogic what he's like in that moment the veils fell from my eyes and I saw him for who he truly was that's all we talked about a yogurt lid moment. Yeah, which is when you kind of see the fallibility and normalness of someone that you used to think was
Godly yeah, and I think that basically the last two and a half years for me has just been a permanent conveyor belt of yogurt lid moment as I've gone like, okay. Well, I mean still very impressive but not in touchable still very impressive but not infallible still very impressive but not always perfect. Yeah, I agree and this is and should be a cause for hope no I all is not lost. Absolutely not recognizing that fact of what you've just learned.
Laid outlet and and when people come and tell me like hey, you know, I want to run for office or I really want to I see what's wrong and I want to find a way to be a part of the solution. But either saying I don't know how or saying what you're saying. Like, it just seems impossible. Like I'm not them. I didn't come up through Yale or Harvard or some fancy ivy league. I don't have money. I'm not like I haven't you no, sir.
and in office for 20 years like I don't have what they have and my answer to them is always the same which is
The most important quality the most important qualification that any of us should seek from someone who wants to serve in public office is your motivation and the principles and sense of purpose that you are grounded in you maybe you know a stay-at-home mom. You may be a small business owner. You may be a high school teacher you may be you know, a multi-billionaire, you know, CEO of a major startup what
What or anything in between what matters every one of these experiences are lived experiences of people across country? Maybe the multi-billionaire CEOs a little more rare but ultimately in business or education or Health Care are all sectors of our society. The one thing that matters is are you are you motivated by the singular sense of purpose to serve to do what is necessary to get the information to be that independent critical?
Or to make the best decision you can possibly make a towards that end of solving problems that serve the interests of your community is state or country and and that the barriers to access that you believe are there aren't actually there's not like you said, there's not some magical checklist that one must go down and check before they're allowed to run for office. And that's the beauty of the vision that our Founders had for our country that that you know, look at the qualification. What are the qualifications to run for president be a citizen United States and be
35 years old
that's it. You don't have to have a college degree. You don't have to be a multi-millionaire. You don't eat. Those are that those are the qualifications and this is where okay. Well the barriers to access that are real that exists is you have as I saw into an experience in 2020 will the media mainstream media worked very closely with the Democrat Party leadership and they pick and choose which candidates they want to feature and what are the narratives and all of that and so yeah. Okay. Well, these are realities you got to fight against but this is the beauty of
An increasingly, you know small D democratized since some system of information and access to information that even as again going back to more people are just becoming critical thinkers and more cynical of the information. They're getting off of the traditional Legacy platforms and you have many people turning to podcast like yours and Rogan's, you know, so many others to just listen and to learn and to kind of satisfy that
Curiosity so that they can make better informed decisions. And that right. There is the answer to like, okay. Well, what do we do in this situation that we are in number one get informed number two, make sure that you vote make sure that you vote almost half the country still doesn't vote in these these most important elections and again is people like oh, well, it won't make a difference. Well, if you don't vote it certainly won't make a difference, but that is the only way that we can bring about the kind of change that we need to
The at the Board of Education in your local community, you know with your mayor or your state representative or your Governor your member of Congress senator and the president United States, that's it. So if you don't like what's happening now, we have to fulfill the responsibility that comes with being citizens of the United States of America and and bring about that change in our leadership that we want to see. Do you know how it works in Australia with the
Sections. Are you mandated to vote? I think it's an obligation for you to believe. That's true. What do you think about that as a policy? I do you don't think that it would result in a better outcome. You mean a more accurate representation of the populace?
Correct.
If you're forced I got and I don't know what the I don't know what the penalty is there. If you don't vote look I think you can go in and I think you can even sort of scan and put an X like off the side of a box you can sort of just you know, yeah graffiti the piece of paper and submit it. I think you have to go in. Yeah, I'm gonna get torn up. I'm just I'm a big believer in Free Will and and making making the case for why you should
Care enough even about just yourself and you know your home and your livelihood and how much taxes you pay and your health care even if you don't care about anybody else in the world at least care enough about yourself to get informed and be a part of the solution wouldn't it be fascinating to see what it would do? I'd love to be able to just run in Another Universe in which we have whatever the result in November is and then you do another one where you had to get all 335 million.
And Americans. Yeah, go and do that. I would love to know it's kind of like YouTube comment sections in a way. You don't know what it is that compels people to comment and not everybody comments the same thing. Lots of people comment opposite things and have arguments in diametrically opposed ways, but there is a single motivator or there are multiple motivators that bring together or commenters sure, right even if they hold differing points of view. So there are some threads you've picked a cohort out of a bigger group and okay what's in this sample? I would be so interesting to just
See, what were missing? Yeah, how many people vote 100 million? How many votes do we get overall? I think it's a little bit more than that. I think it hovers around 50% Sometimes it's 55. Sometimes it's a little bit less but I think it hovers around half so fast and I think it hovers around half of registered voters not all eligible voters that number would be would be significantly higher than those that actually turn out to vote the the concern that I
I have is if people aren't self motivated enough now just to get out and vote and you mandate it. What flippant is just a button accent. I'll go and throw the X on the cardboard box. You know what I mean? Like I don't I, you know, maybe I could be proved wrong by an example in another country. But to me it had that motivation has to come from within if you want a different outcome that can only come about with a more informed voter Rory Sutherland had this response I was
In term is behavioral Economist amazing Advertiser phenomenal mind and I was talking to him in the wake of the stipulated last election the debated whether or not it was accurate or not. And I said, we'll look we've got blockchain technology. Now we could do all of this stuff on chain. It could be in a ledger that is never manipulated and a blah blah blah and he said here's what I thought because he's very Pro technology. I thought you'd be all up for it. And he says I think when deciding the future leader of your country
Why it's the sort of choice that requires a fucking walk like his point was that it's the sort of thing that the votes not enough. You have make the physical effort. Well, I think they're thinks that it's the sort of thing where you need to go to the local tennis court, which is you know, 15 minutes away. It needs a fucking wall was his I thought I actually that's a really that's a genuinely good Insight. You know the line I've seen these lines. Yeah lines are it's really a pain, you know to go and do it you pay a high price as a
Time there's nothing more valuable than to yeah. Yeah, so I think just going back to what you were saying before about the
Credentials and competence of the people in power and lack thereof. I think that's why people have such a bad taste in their mouth about the fast track person who you know was Legacy graduated applied into some fancy University and then kind of gets nepotism didn't to whatever area of government because there is this sense deep down. Everybody has that
That space of a credentialed incompetent person with poor morals is taken the spot of an uncredentialed competent person who would do the right thing and it does seem a little bit strange to me that a lot of the people in power are kind of out front about how how much they really really care about you no equity and really wanting everybody to have the the same chance. Meanwhile I got well your shit at your job. I can see that your shit at your job.
So if you cared that much leave for someone better to come in. Oh, hang on. No, it's sort of rules for the not for me. It does seem oddly ironic. It's completely true. And I think the this is becoming even more and more highlighted and and the you know Sunshine is forcing the exposures know what it's true. There's nowhere to hide now, you know, they canceled going back to you know, Bobby Kennedy and I think Dean Phillips was on me.
The fact that even in a Democratic primary, they wouldn't allow other candidates simply to go out and say hey, here's why I feel I am better qualified or will do a better job than Joe Biden can do in this re-election campaign. And that's where you know, there's been a lot of noise in on Fox News and some of these other platforms like, oh, you know, it's a Kamala Harris coronation like yeah it is but why are you surprised because they've been they've been doing
For a long time I you know this goes back to again 2016 with Hillary Clinton and then in 2020, we experienced the same thing. And then in 2024 here we are again the same thing over and over again. This is not some like shocking situation that all of a sudden they are rolling out the red carpet for the candidate of their choosing. I wonder whether them because each time that a election comes around the level of visibility not necessarily transparency, but certainly exposure increases more and more.
More as people are more online. There's a new social media and was I don't think Tick-Tock was even a rat would have been musically back in 2016 would have been the sort of Proto Tick-Tock thing that might dance the Chinese parent company owned. So, you know, you have a changing media landscape which brings with it this real pivot of visibility technology access the internet so on and so forth. So, I wonder if each time that the same thing occurs it is displayed.
So much more transparently so much more plainly that it almost feels novel you go. How could this happen to go? It happened before they didn't you verify it failed to sort of map the level of exposure mode of delivery. Yeah, the delivery mechanism has changed so much. They actually feels differ and how all pervasive that method of delivery has become fucking everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, one of the thing that I guess intersect something you're interested in something that I
I've thought about a lot recently, which is this sort of derogation of family family unit. That seems to be a big.
Deal which is even more surprising than the religious thing to me. Hmm. What do you make of the criticizing of family culture the nuclear family at the moment it comes from the same place in the government taking control over raising of children or decisions that parents should be making for their kids and
Lie, again them wanting to be the ones who are dictating to us, either. You know, how we live our lives of the things that we are not allowed to do in specifically obviously, there are a lot of different examples when it comes to parents and families, even at the basic level of of Education. I was home-schooled all the way through high school and this was a choice that my parents made with us. It was way back in the day before home.
School was was as popularized as it is saved a lot more resources and opportunities available for kids these days. But even even you know poll after poll after poll shows that approximately like an increasing number but these days it's about 75 to 80 percent of parents across all party lines. All racial lines support parents right to choose how they want. What kind of education is best for their kids?
Whether it be, you know home school or charter school or private school or religious school or public school parents should simply have the right to choose what mode of Education will work best for their kids and yet this is a pillar of the democratic party to oppose that and so, you know, there's a whole lot of rhetoric that they throw at this decision. But ultimately when you look at that decision you look at
Gavin newsom's recent law that he signed in in California saying that the government will decide you know, if your child wants to go through
Some kind of you know, they call a gender affirming care. I would call it, you know gender mutilation surgery or child mutilation surgery that the parents don't even get to have a say in that in the state of California anymore. It comes from that same place. We were talking about when you're talking about God it comes down to people really believing that the and I know that they really do believe that they really believe that they know what's best for these kids more than their own parents do
And they're willing to not just believe that but turn that into law and what comes with the passage of a law. It's the power of enforcement of that law and one of the ways that in this example, they're enforcing it is threatening parents that if you don't follow this all we're going to take your child away from you. It seems absurd that any parent would support this like any agree any parent that says,
I trust the government to Marshall and guardian my child more than I trust. Me too. I understand in some ways if you are so young that you haven't had kids or you decided or bad locked out of not being able to have them that you're kind of stood on the sidelines hurling abuse at players on a pitch. So you don't you're not you've got no skin in the game.
Any parent that says yeah, the government should be able to tell me what to do with my children. I don't have kids yet. But I imagine when that system comes online. Yeah, you know, I wow very Fierce level of Defense. I think over your household. Yeah, I would say so but but that that that framing in my experience is not what goes through their mind what goes through their mind is
Well, I am a good parent and I know how to raise my child and that aligns with you know, if my child, you know, my little boy says Well, I'm actually a girl then of course, I will do the right thing and make sure that that child goes through that quote unquote gender affirming care irreversible surgery at the age of three or five or 10 or whatever it is. We need the government to protect these kids from those bad parents, right?
Who aren't raising their children properly and who are causing harm to their children because they are not pushing their children towards these irreversible surgeries. So again, it goes back to that mindset of well, we need to protect kids from these horrible parents who clearly don't care about them and that that should be the role of government.
Very very strange very scary. It is what it is. So we spoke earlier on about how maybe in 2016 it came as a shock to everybody not least on the Trump that he became president and maybe didn't quite have as much stuff set up and ready to go to be able to really hit the ground running project 2025.
How much truth in this what is it? Is it the boogeyman that everybody's saying it is have seen a little bit of a only to nearly 1,000 pages and basically nobody's ever read it. I haven't either so I'm not I don't I don't have much to say on this because I haven't read it. Okay, and I want to talk about some meta that I don't that I don't know much about you go 2,000 pages to get through. So yeah drop out what I've I guess I guess what I can comment on is just the response that I've seen and so I've heard
heard from you know, President Trump made his own statement on it. He's kind. He's like, I don't know what's in there. Like I don't have anything to do with this. I don't you know, I he made his statement on it. I have heard from people who have read it and conservatives who say this, you know, this reflects my values and My Views and their the media is completely pushing a narrative that is not true that it's 100% false on the Democrat side.
You see it being used and weaponize to foment fear that you know, if you vote for Trump. This is the this is the game plan and this is what's going to be executed and it's going to take away women's right to vote and all this other stuff, you know.
People who are interested in it should read it and make up their own minds for themselves. Ultimately sure. They'll be thrilled. Don't fall. Delphi would just say don't be a critical thinker if you want to know more about project 2025. I'm pretty sure it's probably online. You can probably read it for yourself or at least search through it and and see the things that you care about. Do you find it difficult when you're presented with stories and narratives to be impartial when looking at what conservatives and Democrats are saying about it because
It's kind of a little bit like just leaving a football team that you've been with your entire life or getting out of a relationship or something with someone. You're naturally going to have a little bit more kind of vitriol toward the person that the group that you used to be a part of. Do you see that in yourself? Do you see? No because I'm what we're talking about now is what I've what I did throughout all of my time in Congress, you know, I knew enough to know not to accept anything at face value.
And even through you know the staff my congressional staff every day that we had votes, you know, the Democrats put out. Like here's the vote recommendation list. Here's the bills that were voting on Democrats. We recommend that you vote Yes on this and no on that and then Republicans put out the exact same they put out their own version of that sheet of paper every single day. There's votes telling Republicans. You should vote Yes on this and vote. No on that.
At and so what I would do is have my staff gather both for me so I could take a little what are these guys saying and what are those guys saying and too often they were it was like you would you would think they were voting on two different pieces of legislation. And so it just required more work to actually look into a what what is this legislation actually going to do and so this is this is something that that I've done for a very long time and it's something that I still do in
in not taking what people who represent one side or another or saying at face value, but actually going and doing my best to try to find. Okay. Well, where are the facts are the facts buried in this narrative and and you know the spin that's coming from this side or the spin that may be coming from that side before I make my own draw my own conclusion or make my own statement on it. What do you think of Kamala you body to only a couple of years ago? What do you think of a
The same thing that I thought of her back then is is she and this is this was what I warned people against in 2019 is she is incapable and unfit to be president and commander-in-chief. She would be very dangerous in that position. Not only because she will be easily manipulated and controlled by those unelected powers that be that we talked about but also
so as we discussed would immediately feel like she needs to exert and show strength and that that would come at an incredibly high cost to our men and women my brothers and sisters in uniform to our country and quite frankly to the world, especially given the situation that we are facing today. We're you know, we're on the brink of war with Russia and China Iran North Korea just to name a few. Oh and also by the way, we are
Search of the brink of nuclear war now than ever before certainly in our lifetimes and so in any one of these examples, it takes one spark for any one of these situations to quite literally blow up. She has demonstrated through her time as vice-president through her time as US senator through time as the Attorney General of California District Attorney of San Francisco in every opportunity every position.
Position that she held where she had the opportunity to put the interests of the people. She was supposed to be serving first. She put her own political interests first and
and clearly does not believe in the Constitution and fundamental freedoms. So she's not alone in this obviously, but she is now not officially but will be very soon the Democratic nominee for president and we as voters should not allow the political like food fight that's going to go on to get in the way of of actually knowing the facts of her record and
Her
failed record and how dangerous she would be in that position. She's smart. I I would not say so.
I don't know if smarts the right word intelligent know she is very calculating person. And so perhaps Smart in her calculations that have gotten her to this point.
If there's a big problem with the potential of Kamala being the Democratic nominee.
You can wave a wand you could be God. Who would you want to see instead?
Well, I ran for president on the Democratic ticket and who would you put his peepee?
I know in and I'm speaking in today's context. I don't know and here's why.
The Democratic party is vastly different even today than it was four years ago vastly different four years from eight years and so on but the fact that not a single Democrat in the House of Representatives or the US Senate not a single one has had the courage to stand up and call out the insanity of of this whole, you know boys can be girls if they say they're girls not a single one not a single one.
Stood up against Joe Biden's and and his administration's complete destruction of Title Nine, which is the law that says women and girls should have a Level Playing Field in education and sports with boys and men periods been in place over 50 or something Democrats celebrate it for decades completely obliterated now to the point where you have sports girls sports teams half of them are biological Boys in high school and middle school.
School not a single one Democrat leader in the house or Senate in Washington DC has had the courage to stand up and say this is wrong and you're hurting women and girls by doing this so it's hard for me to pick someone up out of those who exist in the country. I can't think of a Democrat Governor of a state that's had the courage to stand up and say this so I don't have an answer for you because we are at a time.
I don't I personally don't think that every one of them really believes that this is the right thing to do this efficiently cowardly to go along with it. Exactly. And so what kind of leadership is kind of leadership is that it's not it's the opposite their followers and and worse yet care more about their political positioning that they're that they're willing to remain silent.
In something that is like just the most fundamentally objectively true thing that exists. Yeah, that is not exactly a glowing comment on the squad that you've got to pick from now.
The literal Squad and the broader Squad right? That is though. That is correct. What do you going to do over the next foreseeable future? What have you got plans? What do you what do you thinking of working on?
I want to be in a position of impact. You know, that that's always been I've never seen my involvement in politics as a quote-unquote career. And you know my I chose very early on in life to chew to follow a path of service and it's taken me both into politics and out of politics at different times. I don't know exactly I don't know exactly what's next for these next few months. I'm going to continue try to be a Voice of Truth and facts and
Common sense and and help Inspire. Hopefully Inspire more people to recognize the power that we have through our own votes to help course correct in our country reset and and get us back on track rooted in those foundational principles of our of our of our country's founding what happens Beyond I don't exactly know but I will continue to try to find those places where I feel I can best be of service and make that maximum.
Impact. Okay. Yeah, let's bring this one home till see I really appreciate you. Thank you. Thank I'm Lee meet you I'm you.
