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Hello, friends and family. Welcome to the random show. I am here in my studio with Tim Ferriss. Tim you're here in my house I know it's so nice. Shouldn't say that. My studio is my
house. We can stuff that's fine.
But that's in here. It's in your back. If I'm glad you're here, brother. Yeah. See you guys. It's great to see you. I'm really, really thrilled that it worked out and what better way to get off of my podcast sabbatical done with saying. Hi to my good friend, Kevin a great deal by the way. So the sabbatical first time in 10 years. Yeah, that I've
Taken a break from the podcast and it's been four months, roughly of sharing a lot of the greatest hits, and it's been a combination of feeling fantastic. And I've been working on other projects that are really energy in for me. My first new book in the seven years that I've been working on. That's not a sabbatical by the way. But well usually though In fairness the word sabbaticals typically used in academic circles and when they take a break,
I'm teaching, they do other things, right? They, they do other things. And I think you and I for being honest or both working dogs. Like, we can take breaks, but it's like, you take a, you take some type of working, dog, like a border collie. You stick it in your apartment, New York City and doesn't run. And you're like, why is it true in the couch because has to run. So for me to do the Deep work of books, specifically is just a different shift, different gear than feeling the pressure of putting on a podcast.
Just once, or twice a week, do you think that idea of Shifting between those two like podcasts and then book podcast book, if you had to do that? Yeah, it breaks up to train of thought, too much so or so much so that you wouldn't be able to have like do you need that undivided time? You need the undefined. Okay, because that, yeah, and I'll make, I'll make a recommendation for something that makes it very clear. There's an essay by Paul Graham. So co-founder of Y, combinator famous for many different reasons. Also, spectacular writer very good painter also believe but he
He wrote an essay called the top idea in your mind or a top idea in your mind. And it talks about effectively attention as a currency and the importance of
There's a separate one makers schedule versus manager, schedule, something like that, but the importance of uninterrupted blocks of time. Particularly if for instance, you're dealing with a complex project. So truth coding for instance, also, true of writing, where you're juggling like 27 balls in the year, right? And if you get distracted you drop for you have to start over again and you have to build that Rhythm and it takes a really long time. Yeah. So if I'm thinking about the pressures of or the prep for even if I'm having fun of a podcast, yeah, it's basically robbing my
Self of let's just call it 20, 30, 40, 50 % of the subconscious Cycles, right? That I could apply to the book even when I'm not thinking about it, right? I mean, for something like this, obviously, we're just bullshitting. But like, I'd imagine a typical guest for you on the kind of research and due diligence side is like, you know, is that a couple of days work for you and to give me a couple of days in the case of some guessing, be a few weeks. Yeah. If it's way outside of my normal areas of expertise and even if we look at a few days, it's
A lot of prep. It's a lot of thinking about the interview, even when I'm done prepping, which Avenues, I might take based on answers that go in a particular direction. So, I take the craft a podcasting, very seriously. Although it's been a chance also, for me, and I wanted to take the sabbatical, not just to say work on the book but to think about first, 10 years, have been great, if I continue to do this, which I would like to do, how do I keep it as exciting for me personally, right, as possible?
And if I do that, can I differentiate it in a podcast ecosystem? That is increasingly oversaturated. Yes, this is the reason I just stopped doing podcasts. Yeah, well, I didn't stop it, but I cut back to like one episode over six weeks now. And it's because when I have a guest on, I totally get what you're saying because I remember, I hit you up. I had a dear friend that launched a new book and you're like hey, I'm not doing any new books and when you look at that person, great book, I loved it. They did ten podcasts, right? And they all talk about the same thing.
Right? So then you're just playing the like okay maybe I want Tim's version maybe a want you know whoever else top 10 podcaster out there. Yeah and but you're eating kung pao chicken. No matter what. Like it's just like who sauce is slightly different zactly and it doesn't feel is additive to the ecosystem to just do the same thing that's going around on the circuit. Yeah, let me get your take. Yeah. Also for people listening I would love your take. I mean I'm doing a lot of reflection of my own so I'm not just Outsourcing this. But in terms of rules for myself moving forward,
I've thought about a few things. One is to basically take a barbell approach where I'm interviewing people who effectively known as ever heard of, right? So who knows the popcorn king of Milwaukee, or whatever, right. Some master who has not ever made the rounds, right? Ideally, it's someone for instance, who's never done a long-form interview like Jocko willing the first time he was on the podcast or whatever might be or on the opposite very far and it's someone almost everyone would know right like a Bezos or fill in the blank but not very
A little in between because the podcasting circuit has largely become 20 or 30 podcasts. At a time of book, authors doing the modern equivalent of a radio satellite to write and I just don't particularly want to participate in that anymore. Yeah, right. But the Bezos I'd imagine. Like you're not going to go like hey tell me about Q4 of last year at Amazon. No, I'd want to be like make it more precisely about like how was your divorce like are you know like shit that like you could get into hope?
Awfully that is uniquely. You know, that you haven't heard anywhere else and I'd want it to be Evergreen. Yeah, I really don't want to and this is to my economic detriment, right? But I don't want to chase the current controversy the day. I don't want things that are going to expire in two months, right? I want my back catalog to be as interesting to people as the newer episodes and that's going to mean taking a probably, a pretty major Financial haircut, but I'm totally fine with that at this point. Because also, you have to think about say, if you're thinking about the economic side of things,
Like, there's the short term and there's the long-term, right? If I get so apathetic or board that I stopped doing the podcast, right? That's the end of the income period Ryan. So if I ratchet It Back 40 percent, let's just say in terms of volume, but I do it for longer over time. And my audience, can tell them really excited about the episodes that I'm putting out, which I in general have been. Yeah, they're very few compromises I've made, but I can see the slippery slope of just taking Whatever Gets pitch to you by publicists right leads to greatest book. Yeah.
So these are all considerations that, man. I think that's a great approach. I'd much rather see the longevity of Tim and higher quality episodes than just bang them out every single week. And I really, I don't feel like I've made many compromises, but there have been a few where I'm like, I don't want to do this kind of interview again. Yeah. And I've also thought in terms of format of basically doing co-hosted ketchups with friends. So for instance, I might have and none of these people have a great so I don't actually not going to mention names, but you can imagine some of my closest friends.
This who've been on the podcast who are very, very smart and good at asking questions, I catch up with them. They suggest a guest. They think we could interview together that's and then I'm catching up with a close friend while we're interviewing, so that's cool. I think that would be great. I think that'd be super additive to my life. Yeah. And then hopefully that transmits in the same way that I think a large reason, say the all in podcast had become yes, really popular. Because of that interplay and it's fun. I always enjoy this type of
Banter. Yeah. And we got lots of cops. Yeah. Why don't you hop in? So as you round, we have my dear friend, Addison who lives here in l.a. who is a part-time semi-professional bartender mixologist. Not really but, you know, he does it for fun and he also does in AI company part-time called pick Studio dot AI, which just came out with a new model and you know how they say I models are changing so fast. Right? And so I would say, you know, when I was first mess around with this with him like a while ago,
It was pretty good. It was good. It was like I used it as a headshot for a couple places, right? But you can still kind of like look at. If you look if you squinted you like mmm aii right uncanny valley, he might go inside. So they came out the new model and I wanted to show you will see if as is gonna make us some drinks. Well, I want to show you a couple pictures of yourself.
Dude, this is a brand-new model shit, that's insane. Isn't that insane? And we'll put these up on YouTube and other places so people can see the images. That's terrifying. Dude. How
real does that looking good? But you're looking, this is should be your new dating profile picture.
Now that one your little preppy there I was in cargo shorts a little preppy but you know, this is like the Ocean looks nice. What's crazy? Is the kind of full body Dimension accuracy? Yeah, that's nuts.
Yeah, he was saying that you can like, use the prompt now to say, like this shirt type or like, yeah, so Steve Jobs. So looking at these photos, I would say
Even, I would be like that. Wait a second dad face up. Did I ever take that photo? No, it's not me. That is terrifying. I know, it's terrifying. Awesome. Know what the Saints. Awesome and terrifying. Yeah, so it's and I mean, in short order, we're already seeing memes turned into videos. Yes, right. I mean, it's going to be the Wild West, it's already is it's going to be crazy. Speaking of looking good though, you're looking great and I want to do your dating life, update alone, but being a drink first, awesome.
Yeah, okay, she's this one job.
Two jobs. AI in this. I'm
just kidding. Okay, so he's gonna be looking good. You want to show off your new tattoo? Oh, yeah. I just gotta a little crane here. Just machete on a on Instagram, and she's amazing new york-based. Tattoo artist, she's done Bruce, Willis a bunch of other really famous kind of people know. I was wondering why it Bruce Willis on your forearm, exactly. How did you choose that? You probably know this, but in Japanese lure children's books and others. The crane is
Oil of because of its length that can span Heaven and Earth. And so it's used as a bridge for souls to transfer between Heaven and Earth and I just like that lower. Yeah, it's cool. And so what do you think? Got the meditator done by her on the front of me as well. So Wow Cup got both but I think it's insanely insanely two very talented. Yeah beautiful artwork will link to her profile in the in the old show notes. So you were looking really good on Instagram and you posted that you got a vampire facial but yeah. Vampire facial yeah.
So, I put up a photo which popped up on my phone. It was generated by the phone and it had you have today eight years ago and I photo of me from eight years ago and I realized which I more or less hoped would be the case. And really pushed for it was like, all right, I lost my hair pretty early and I look older than my friends and I was like, I just need to make it like the next 10 years and trained my ass off and watch my diet. And I think I'll kind of flat line or plateau in terms of how I look right? And so the photos
Made it look, I think like I had largely not aged in eight years. It looked amazing. It looked amazing. So I put up eight years on the Romanian vampire protocol trademark and I put our VP in parentheses will do wonders for your skin and it was a total joke on my part, right. Unbeknownst to me though. Well you put you turned off comments to I turned off comments. Yeah. There's a lot of story behind that we won't get into but the reason that was funny is because so many I didn't get any of the feedback you give you the feedback. There is a such thing.
NG as a vampire facial and you were joking. And I looked at was like, oh shit, Tim does a vampire to I'm like, wow, he's been doing it for a long time, he's never told me about it, you know. So what is, what is the vampire facial about a month ago now, I was at the dermatologist and, you know, you go in once a year and get your all your warts and shit looked at to make sure you have a Cancer and I go in there and they're like, hey like, you know, you want some good shit, you know, like I had now that I'm looking at your eyes. We were talking about crow's feet and turning them back into Crow knuckles. I don't see anything. It looks good, right? Yeah. You don't even have grown up.
Thank you for the compliment, you're welcome. But I will tell you that, you know, the options they have are all the LA shit which I don't want to do. Like I don't want to get BOTOX on my face and said, you don't have be able to sort cat,
laser cat walk among the lizard. Kathy fact, let me
just looks horrible because like you can tell, please don't do that, but I'm sure that you could get by with it for a couple years and then then you look like a plastic dude. So, now vampire because they are taking out your blood. Yes. Spinning it. Yes. Creating something known as platelet-rich plasma. Yes.
And you've had that done before when not the facial though. No. So tired. You why you did it prior to the 4-Hour Body or in the process of writing the 4-Hour Body, which is all about physical performance. Yeah. And modification and performance enhancement that book was published in 2010. And at the time I was using PRP because it had been used at that time for certain types of joint, degeneration, Orthopedic issues related to joints. Yeah, so I had inter articular joint injections in the elbows, shoulders and said, when you got infected by,
One of them was sadly, a disaster. Oh and whenever you inject anything, there's a chance that you introduced pathogens through the skin. Now, what I did not realize at the time, is that particular Clinic who will remain unnamed when they injected the elbow. They use the wrong injection site and so they disinfected the surface level of the skin, right? But there are so many layers to the skin and skin is so thick on the
The elbow that there are staph bacteria beneath that first disinfected area, the needle, pushed that into the joint capsule and then within 48 Hours, my elbows, the size of a volleyball. Yeah. And I was chatting with a doctor friend of mine who this is probably 11 p.m. at night, San Francisco. The way this is 12 years ago, something I get 12 years ago. I remember I came to visit you the hospital? What was that? Oh, yeah, that's right. And well, we're did of use out of those gross. Yeah, so a few things happened. Number one is my
Very competent. Doctor friend said, touch your elbow? Is it hot? And I said, yes, and she said you need to go to the emergency room immediately. Here's the one. You should go to tell them this and I did and few hours later they're removing. Copious amounts of just disgusting. Yeah, so I'm in the room monster fluid. You hit me up in your like I'm in the emergency room or whatever but this infection or whatever. And I'm like I should go check in on. Tim, I got down there and I was I want to say didn't some of its squirt against the wall. There was a sir
Syringe full of all this disgusting
because they're so, I
screwed that you like a turkey baster. Like, thank you so much, sir. Thank you very much. Looks amazing. Thanks, brother. Awesome. What is, what is this?
This is your ticket to the invested. Oh yeah. LOL Oto and check it out. Only alcohol brand. I've ever understand. Thank you. Mmm. So yeah, you squirted staph infection at me, you fucker? I did looking back at that thing to do. Yeah, but PRP and this, a good drink, it is a great dress. Yeah. So PRP to be clear. Number one, it's your own blood. Yes, number two,
It can be in some instances really, really effective for Orthopedic issues. But there there's quite a bit of published literature so you can look it up. But I was unfamiliar with the applications to the vampire facial. So I go in, they draw about three vials of blood, they spin it. They come back with something that looks like a grape-juice in the vials. And then they take a micro needling, kind of like it almost looks like some type of like automatic toothbrush or tattoo gun almost. Yeah. And then they go across your face like and the first thing the pepper.
There's all these little tiny micro holes and then they lather it with all the PRP and then you go home and your little, like, bruised up and stuff like that. And then a week later, like some of the lines like just like start to get reduce. Yeah I'm actually kind of shocked looking at your beautiful baby I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going to do four of them in total. I had to get the package.
You say save some money. You got like
a soft. I was a good package so you know it's like for me I'm like dude I'm fine getting old if anyone's listening is be like oh they're being too vain or whatever, I'm fine with that. I don't care if I get wrinkles on that. That said,
Come on years of like, just like looking, okay. It's like
doesn't hurt anybody. It's natural, it's my own
shit. You know, don't lie? I don't know. So, help me dating life of which dating life. Well, I, yeah, modern dating, you know, we don't have spent a lot of time on it a little bit though. Temple What? It's Like on the other side. What's it like on the other side went to Paris? Well, I went to Paris. How was that? And actually want to give them a shout-out. I stayed all the women in Paris. No, not all women Paris. I went to
To an artists, commune effectively or Utopian community. As they might not like this descriptions Den. Well, it's an old Chateau called fate Opia like in that Monty Python and the Holy Grail, where that guy gets stuck in that. Do you I'm talking about? We get stuck in the castle and there are we are all but 20 to 30 year old
women like you know
that was the hope. But it was it was a broader spectrum of participants and I have really been making an effort and I think there's
A religious War a foot which is well there Many religious wars right? There's like sleep training versus attachment style parenting, right? People love factions and fighting. Yes, another one is and I've been thinking about writing a blog post about this. Let's just call it romance versus radical planning. So, when I talk about some of the more systematic ways in all approaching dating what some people will say is, That's So unromantic. Yeah, to which I usually reply. Now, what does romantic mean? Walk me through what a week.
Gov taking a romantic approach would look like interesting. Usually, they don't have an answer. What they mean is Serendipity like Etc. Exactly. And I am providing space for that like going to Paris or outside of Paris to something, like, fate OB, which was an amazing experience. But I think also, if you are, let's just say, I'll think this out loud if you're in college, or if you're in a company and you're right out of college, there's a lot of natural.
Inbuilt Serendipity, if you live in a place like Manhattan. Yeah, a lot of people are single around your age, right? Exactly around your age, run your age, you do social meetups all the time. You don't have things to do. And I don't have kids yet. Exactly. So there's a lot of space for Serendipity. Let's just say you already have inbuilt 30 50, 60 % Serendipity. Where if you want to meet literally 100 plus new people, a month, it's very easy. As you get older as your friends, all due respect, beautiful face aside age out basically, they're not going to be
making introductions to maybe women who are in the age range. I would be aiming for because I'd like to have a few kids biologically, so you're doing down a little bit. Yeah. Right and when he's not I mean look I love up sure. I mean maybe in the 28 to 35 range right somewhere in there, they're not succeed. Be all right. Maybe I want somebody who's ready? Very ready. Excited to build a family. Also has a good sense of their own identity feels confident and being
Good at having developed skills or passions in certain areas. Like I want them to feel very happy with what they've done, so they don't have say, resentment later, if you feel like, they've given up everything, as it was just getting started is a great point. So you want someone that's kind of like they've probably even established a career at this point, that's what they've chosen to do. They're like they're competent who they are. They're like, okay, I'm you know, mid-30s, I'm thinking about kids the next couple of years. Like that kind of situation. Yeah, exactly. Okay. But I've realized for instance, except
On a few dates, with lawyers or doctors in those age ranges, they've been through so much schooling. They're just getting out of the gate and starting to get traction. So it's a very hard, I think for a woman in that position to think about having kids in the next three years, right? Very hard right after so much investment in their education and cry and so on. So it's been a learning process. I've met a lot of amazing people. I think that frankly if I want to really double and triple down, I just
To spend a bunch of time in a few major cities. What's the biggest turnoff for you? When you sit down on a date and somebody says something or does something like what's your, what's your number one? Like answering? I don't work. Well, there are a lot of little things but I think most people would find these irritating. Right. If someone's late repeatedly and they don't let you know until the time you're supposed to need. That's just I'm a very punctual. That's just not being an adult. All right? I want to be with an adult, right? Who is responsible? If we're going to build a family.
Be together. I need to know you have your shit together. Interesting. Yeah that's fair. I feel the same way. If I'm even though it's like a buddy if I'm running five minutes late on my habe right around the corner ball blah. Yeah. And if someone's repeatedly late, it means they probably have it operated in higher stress situations or environments because you get punished for that, right? Yeah, it doesn't work so that'd be one and also I would say that
For me, I'm looking for someone who is a compliment, not a duplicate, right? I'm not like Tim Ferriss with long hair. Is my Ultimate Nightmare. Like, I don't like to date that person. All right? No. We'd kill each other. Yeah. Right. So that varies person to person, but for me, that means someone, let's just say, you have a spectrum like a slider in the middle. This is my working Theory. It seems to hold up. So if you had a slider in the middle, you have just, this is called perfect androgyny and let we won't stumble over the terms. If
If you want exact definitions, just choose your own. But let's just say this perfect 50/50, feminine masculine characteristics. And then, as you move out in either direction, you kind of up 100% mask on hundred percent feminine. Yes,
I think you don't know that. Just don't tell me. You want 50 50? I dunno. No, I don't want 50/50. What I've seen in couples that really really work. Well, yeah. Is they tend to be equally distant from the center. Oh, interest. And by the way, that's not a gendered thing. Like you could have for instance. I know couples where like the male is really playful, a b and c has characteristics of might be traditionally defined as feminine. Wife is like c00 ones the ship, that's fine. Yeah, but they're equally distant from that.
A point, right? And that equivalent, polarity, seems to work that is fascinating, because I've had this conversation where I find that if you are. So in the center and you're like 50/50 and no one is stepping up to be either masculine or feminine in a traditional kind of like male female role that we're talking about here. Obviously there's so many other ones out there, it's very confusing. Yeah, because you're like, well, either you do something or I need to do something but it's like, what is this? Like this kind of, like
Middle D times. N totally. I mean I think if you look at primates you look at humans, it's like we like to know sort of where we stand. I like what we're supposed to do, what is our job? And so I think that can take a lot of different forms energetically like it. Let's take gender out of it like even within a company. Yeah, right. Like if it's a pure flat meritocracy, no job titles. If things get a Morpheus, it's going to be very confused on a percent. So I do think there's a
A comfort that can come. That is hard to put words to with matched polarity. Yeah, which again, it's not a gender thing. It's more like a constellation of characteristics.
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Should we shift gears a little? Yeah let's do it. Thank God get me off the hot. Yeah I was going to ask how the Paris dating scene was. Yeah. So I want to make a couple of recommend a yes please then I got. So you just you know who Bobby fingers is sounds familiar.
So always a safe thing to say. I think I've heard of
him. Yeah, tell me more. So, Bobby fingers is one of my favorite discoveries on YouTube of the last decade and he is one of the most unbelievable.
Bubbly skilled Artists Craftsmen, sculptor polymaths. It's also hilarious and his writing is incredible, is a performer and makes the most bizarre shit you've ever seen in your life. So, they're like 10 to 30 minute long descriptions of him, making something beautiful, and then like hiding it, by burying it somewhere. And there's one of the, let's say the scene with Michael Jackson, where his hair catches on fire and his buildings entire entire diorama.
Is one of the Mel Gibson DUI, stop for way, back in the day and I would say that if you want to see something that I think is pure genius, is this a video? Or what is this? It is. Yeah, it's a video channel. So if you go to Bobby fingers at Bobby fingers on YouTube, you can find on patreon as well. Patreon.com slash Bobby fingers youtube.com slash at Bobby fingers and this guy should have in my opinion, hundreds of millions of views. What's that now is like
Bigger. I mean, for what he's doing. I think it is so hard to categorize. Yeah, that it hasn't had as much spread. Is it, 195,000 followers? Still decent? Oh, he's doing well, yeah. But I really feel a moral may be a moral Sasha, moral obligation to recommend people. Go check this out of this is amazing. Won't be plenty to offend everyone, but it is so genius. And unlike, anything I've ever seen in my life, I strongly recommend people check it out and two of my favorites. There are many good ones, but
I would say Michael Jackson or Mel, Gibson are great places to start. That's awesome. All right, I will check that I have. You are, by the way, were you doing has impact in this shot? Or oh wow. Look at that. I'm so glad. Hey, I shaved my chest for me, too. Yeah, I'm
looking good. Dude, that is a
legit. Yeah, I mean that is if you were 007. I mean honestly, what's crazy to me about that is how much you actually look like that? How much, how great I look in those Speedos? But separately is the lighting? Yeah, it looks
real, that's really
Does he want to go back to the gym? I got me while I go to the gym and I can just put that exactly. Actually, I've been training. I've been training very hard recently and feeling very good. I'm not taking his epic but I have been using a few different tools that I thought people might find. Yeah. Sarah interesting. So one which was recommended to me by a two-time silver medalist in Olympic archery, Jake Kaminsky. I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn anything about archery specially recur,
Irv, he is amazing. Both of us as a performer, proven performer bed as a teacher. So, Jake Kaminsky with a bunch of eyes come in ski. He recommended the Outdoorsman Atlas trainer frame system. So what is this? I'll tell you the problem, it solves. So I own a bunch of rocking sacks. Yes, your backpack Iraq to with weight with weights and yeah, and there are a few issues with the sex that I've owned to date one is that they're usually a set weight. You can swap out these huge
Square plates. Secondly, they don't necessarily have a waste or kidney belt. So the weight is on your shoulders and not also share it on your hips, right? And this particular system is effectively a frame, hiking backpack. That's what very well constructed, right? And it has plate loading on your back. So you can put olympic plates on it. So, any weight plates. You might have in a gym or that you might buy at Dick's Sporting Goods or whatever that you could use for barbell. You can see
Slap on to this, that's amazing. So you can adjust it in amazing increments, and then use progressive resistance. And do you want more weight on your hips? I know. I know for like don't get me wrong. Like obviously like long-term 50 mile hikes or whatever you want to get the, the way onto the hips. You know, I got my dexa, scan done which I'm sure you've done before, low radiation. Calculates all different types of muscle and fat types and bone density. My bone density is going down. Yeah, me too. And one of the things that Atia told me and his staff was like rocking get
Eight on the bones so that you can like, you know, maintain that bone density. Yep. Why throw it on the hips? When I leave it on the shoulders. All right, so the few reasons for that, the first is, we've talked about this a lot on this show and offline to I've had its improved dramatically. But for Less two years, I mean, I've been plagued by incredibly painful. Chronic low back pain. You've had back issues for a long time, dude, especially last two years to the point where there have been moments, say you're in half ago where I couldn't stand or sit for more than five minutes.
And that's right. Did you were carrying around that little ball or something, you put behind your back? Was there something? Yeah, I still have that Forefront, really uncomfortable seats five to Beyonce a plane for few hours, something like that. Use a little Pilates ball, which you can fold up and stick in your pocket is actually great for lumbar support. But the point is, I am specifically training for a hunt that I have. At the end of this month, I do not hunt often. The first hunt I ever did was for the 4-Hour Chef long ago, that was 2012, but I would have done it, probably 2010, or 2011.
And I just feel very good about sourcing. Ethical clean meet with wild harvesting. And in this case, it's an elk hunt. I've done exclusively bow for probably close to ten years now, but part of that. Well, some of the endangered species stuff you do though? I
detected. I know. I don't know why you sent back my snow leopard pancakes. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. In this case you do it the right way. You get tags. Everything is wildlife management but if you're going to do that, you're going to be at high altitude. You're going to be
So in this case, it's called bivy hunting, I'm gonna be carrying everything, how do you have somebody flies in
1415, in California
recording studio and that he gives you likes you, I know love you to fly. So you're going to be carrying, basically your camp with you every day, and that's probably going to be between nine and twelve thousand feet above sea level. And then, if you harvest an animal, you're going to be field, dressing it breaking it down into pieces and you put be carrying an additional 50 pounds. You don't want all that on your shoulders. That would also be very
Bad idea for me, not that you would do it anyway in that circumstance, to load that on my shoulders, which would place a lot of that on my lower back, which is compromised, right? I've some pathological issues with my low back and my SI joint. So I shift a lot of it to the hips. You are taking some of it on the shoulders. You haven't even eat Sherpas or anything that go with you. I think we might have one or two people who are there just to be part of the trip and might help with caring, but you keep mind. Like if you take down a larger bull elk, you might have
Have, I mean, hundreds of pounds of meat, how do you keep that meat fresh? There is all number of different, no number different ways. You might approach, it given the time of year and the elevation, it's going to get pretty cold. So a lot of folks first would hang the meat as they're sort of deconstructing the animal in the field and let it cool down. Then you put it into meat bags which look like big socks effectively and then how they're going to actually protect that a camper how they'll place it etcetera.
Remains to be seen, I am always going out with people who are effectively professional, Outdoorsman who make, I'm always the slow fat kid, always. So part of the reason I'm training my ass off is to not completely embarrass. The person who invited me. That's gonna be awesome though. Yes, fine, yes, great. So I'm doing a lot of rucking also doing a lot of training on activating, say glute medius, performace, hip internal, external rotators. And the more I do that,
The less the obliques and other muscles turn on to compensate and stabilize the low back and the less low back pain. I have. So that's been another big breakthrough in terms of the low back issues. But honestly, if you do some rocking, maybe some kettlebell swings once or twice a week, some push-ups and some core work, you're done, like you're really hitting everything. Yeah, I love rocking. Rocking has been kind of my three to five days a week, for miles, each time with elevation. And it's just like you just in an hour and a half, you got it.
Do you feel coming in hot? What is this? Okay, sorry. I know you like tequila but I'm sorry to pause. Yeah, this is called Fairbanks Fairbanks. What's in it apricot liqueur. Well, is one of your favorites? I know this one. Yeah, betters and rye, whiskey rye, apricot liqueur and thank you. Thank you, Bitters and rye, whiskey. Oh yeah, appreciate that. Cheers, exactly.
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This is one of his favorite drinks to make. That's really nice. It's not too sweet and that good. And it has the fancy ice cubes to yeah. Spirit forward. That's in my dating bio.
Exactly.
So we're Paris for the they got a good fashion sense. Well, you know, part of what I was interested to see, I spent almost eight weeks in Europe was. How does dating differ in different places? If your software out there, though? You let the
Not necessarily not necessarily know. So it varies tremendously by country, I would say, and of course, there's a huge range within each country. But say in dating in France, is very different from dating in Madrid, which is very different from dating and other places, it really varies tremendously. But part of what I'm hoping for is finding someone and these these women exist. But a lot of women understandably, from a million reasons, feel very conflicted and are put in, I think a difficult position frankly.
When thinking about career kids, basically trying to do more than any person in history had to do. Yes. Before 50 years our let's think about the back end of this week. No, I'm just saying though. I know, I hear ya gets very challenging. So what I want to get a real clear signal on is it somebody's excited to be a mom in the same way that I'm excited to be a dad and that it's not. Well all my friends are getting married. I guess this is what you do right? Even though I'm going to make all these compromises and might resent it later. I don't.
Want to subject a kid to that? Yes, tential risk, right? It's wise of you. Yeah. So, so that's what I'm looking for. And but it's not. There isn't some Garden of Eden where you magically just walk down Whole Foods and pick up a woman like that. But there are some significant cultural differences from place to place. Yeah. All right. We'll say yeah, let's let's move on. All right, so I have a gift for you. Have a gift? What kind of you? Oh. Well, this is called a fee. No, is my is my buddies.
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it's like a, I'm so
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Direction. Gotta Go here.
I can't write. That's the slow-mo. We need that yet Lomo. So here's the intro to the episode.
Listen. Hey you know what's funny is like when I was putting together these stories with the random show. I'm like I love if you look back historically and all the years we've been doing this episode. Yeah. We've had some of the most craziest stupidest shit and talked about the dumbest stuff. I mean we are today talked about you squirting, your freaking infectious fluid. I treat my body. Like we've done some weird shit and so I always try and like to find stuff. I mean this is like both cool.
Once in a
while one of those things five years later. Look at that. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. What member, dude, I talked about theorem for the first time on the show before lunch. When was that? That was God. That was a long time ago when I was still living in my first place in San Francisco. I watched the clip and I'm like, oh, there's is one cryptocurrency. A you doing correct? You're like no, no. Tell me. Tell me I'm like well it hasn't launched yet you're like what is it? I'm like well it's called a theory and was that that was like 25. Like it had to be like to go back and look just 2014 or something. I mean, it was way back them his way back the stuff. I remember,
Exactly where we're sitting by the fireplace in my first rental and San Francisco. That's cool spot. Yeah. All right, your turn. What do you got my turn? I would say that. I can't say too much about it. You're going to hate that but we never asked what your book was about. But anyway, I can't really. So I've never talk. I'll talk about a Superstition. That may actually have something to it. So I as well as a handful of other authors. I know really well, who've written a lot of books feel like there is such a thing as
Let's call it a mimetic release. And what I mean by that is I think it's fairly frequently observed that you'll have some in. As an example, intractable scientific problem or some scientific problem that researchers around the world are grappling with. And there's almost no apparent. Major progress made for years and years and years. And then within the same two-week period. People in all these different locations suddenly make breakthroughs
What is happening there. And what I have observed and again this is getting into maybe what people would consider magical thinking but I can't explain. It doesn't mean there isn't an explanation when people talk about ideas, that idea seems to suddenly pop up in a lot of other places. Now you could make the argument that that's maybe expectancy bias, right? You buy a, if you buy a Hyundai, it's a red Honda. Then you see is red thingy. All you see is red hot dogs, right? So, there could be an element of that, but there seems to be more to it, which is part of the reason why.
Why I don't talk about the key Core Concepts in a book before I release something, but I will say, in terms of progress, in case will anybody's wondering have probably five to six hundred Pages drafted. Oh, shit, it's a big book. Got a lot. Yeah, I mean, all my books are fun books, and that is going to cut down. Probably, well, actually. It's probably gonna get to like 800 and then I'll get cut down the like 500 or 400. Did you use any AI?
In crafting this, I did not nothing. Not yet, okay? Not yet. Will you apply that? To some of the chapters? I might, I might have been, I might apply it in combination with test readers. Looking for gaps in material, basically, use AI as a Critic, right? And try to find gaps. That would be ultimately helpful to mainstream or a larger audience of readers. I could see using it that way. I did a really cool thing the other day where I took a credit a custom chat gbt
And I uploaded, I went back and I looked at every single book that Warren Buffett had ever recommended. Okay, the intelligent investor like all these right? And I found the PDFs from all there because they're like, you just Google. No there. Yeah. And I upload them all to the chat you beauty. All right? And I said you're my investment advisor. What should I do in this particular situation? I'm asking questions of this custom save chat gbt based on all buffets favorite books. It's freaking Fascinate. You know you probably also do is take all.
Annual letters. Oh yeah 100%. I have that. There's a book about his any letters and I uploaded into her the green cover. Yeah. They're in there. Yeah. So okay that's it. Soaks what happened? Well I just got some insights like I was asking like Buy Low sell High. Yeah she's entered the index funds all says back to
me. Yeah it's like you idiot.
Stop. Don't outsmart yourself. Yeah. But I mean there's very specific questions. You have around, you know, timing of markets or not, not that. I didn't ask that particular question but like you know things around the markets where you're like, okay, how do you feel about our current
State when we think there's going to the FED is going to cut rates over the next 12 months. You know what do you think about bonds while blah? And it just like spits back very intelligent responses based on historic data which I find is just like I mean that is so cool, it's really cool. Anyway, I'm excited for book when will it launch? So when we talking I mean your phone 16 pages in so I've been thinking about a few different options. One is doing it the way that I've done it in the past, which is to release it all at
Once as a book launch, there will definitely be some new experimental wrinkles to that. No matter what traditional publisher is before you didn't Amazon. I think you did a, why did Amazon publishing which at that time you could consider a traditional publisher. So yeah in structure is very similar, they just had the distribution Advantage, Amazon, this time around, we'll see I mean I could very easily see doing ebook audio on my own or through an Amazon platforms day and then possibly doing a print, only deal.
Or doing print-on-demand. Frankly, like the quality print on demand has improved so much pain. Yes, it's absolutely perfectly. Sufficient to die. Was it Ryan holidays? I went to his book store outside of Austin would paint. Painted porch is great. Great bookstore. He has the best bookstore. Yeah, what a life? Yeah, I love him. He's such a good dude. I went to the bookstore and beautiful. It's such a beautifully curated art project. Yes, that is driven by him. Yes. If you want to see sort of a new manifestation of the
Best of old school. Bookstores. Visit painted porch. Yeah, and it's like about a half hour to 40 minute drive outside of Austin. He's got cats walking around there. It's all of his favorite books, he even has cats. Yes, you can cast for the cat lovers. But this thing I would say it was really cool is that he actually had his books printed like higher in versions of his books like leather bound, like super, high-end versions that he had done that were just insane quality. Yeah. Beautiful like and those are kind of like as you need them like kind of like on demand.
There's a bit of trivia for folks, while give trivia on trivia. So, trivia try via wreath, three roads. It's actually these little tchotchkes that Travelers, would put down for good luck on their path at intersections of paths. That's where trivia comes from. But separately, the painted porch refers to stoicism, which comes from the Greek stoa, because early iterations of the philosophical, tenets of stoicism were taught
in this open airport area. So that is why his book stores called momentum porch. We got 14 year old toaster. I'm coming to visit. You're saying he's totally deaf, but he's towards still remembers. Make him lick my face. You know, he did, he's done courses of rapamycin. Oh yeah, yeah. So I put him on it a few years ago and and it seems to be working. I mean, dude, you see him, he's moving around great, he's almost 40 90. This brings back so many memories. I mean, back way way back in the day. I'm looking at Daria haidari. I remember recording on your
Couch. This is back still in dig, dig days. Yeah, and and toaster is a little pepper and he was chewing on the XLR cables and almost killed our podcast and killed himself. Yes. And here he is all these years later wagging his tail. Yeah I caught him like halfway through one time a an actual full like voltage cable and it's just like yeah it was so rapamycin. We've probably talked about before but people can check out. I'm not sure what this current status is but the dog aging project. I did a podcast with Matt
hey Pearlie University of Washington you and I both supported that funding wise to find that Empower that study. Yep. Yeah so a TIA. So did Brian Armstrong Armstrong from coinbase like we all kind of chipped in to see what would happen. Really really, really fascinating work. So people are interested in rapamycin for potential longevity applications can take a look at that. I didn't interview separately than that capability which I really, really enjoyed. What else do you have? I have one quick update one, just for four people.
Check out so original of Henry shook Ben's new book, who is my zen master, gotta get my plug, he's awesome, he's great guy and his app the way fantastic meditation app you and I are both investors in. Always want to give Henry some love because he's such a good Soul event as you did some extent. That's called original original. Love ya. All right you did some training recently and you sent me the schedule, the daily schedule. What did your daily schedule look like? And how long does it last? So I went to a five-day silent Meditation Retreat with his
is master, who is the head of the zhen sect out of Japan flew in for this it to Santa Fe New Mexico and so I will tell you when you sit with Henry and you do, I've done a 7-Day silent retreat with him in the past, if it's just Mountain Cloud Zen Center which is his Zen Center, it's probably four hours of sitting a day. And then there's like, you know, walking meditation and a stretch. Anything like when the Zen Masters, they're like, when the, the guy from Japan's, they're like, it's like legit tell you how weak it's hell week for meditation. So, I was up,
5:00 a.m. every morning and I didn't get to bed till probably like released at like 8:30 and I was sitting for most of the day. So one thing I want to ask you about it because I saw it in there, there's a lot of sitting meditation. I'm like, okay, that sounds uncomfortable doing that for eight hours a day which, you know, I tried once people who want to read about my, like complete,
your all flows from the
same time fasting for like six days, you have people want to read about my self inflicted implosion that's in a separate interview but the chanting before mealtime. Yeah. What's the story?
Here in Zen traditional monasteries and when our they have actual monks there is a lot of it's only like 10 minutes. It's just kind of read only cited by chanting for 10 minutes. Tell me it's only nobody just like we're citing. A lot of the the precepts and a lot of like just in English Japanese sometimes in Japanese, one of the English, depending on who's running it? Do you have a little like Psalm book that you read from? Okay, is when it's in Japanese hundred percent. I don't even know what I'm
saying. I could be like large
Donkey Kong. Yeah,
it's like Donald
Bag. Yeah. So Triceratops I
don't say but it's quite nice. It's just like a way to kind of like in cap set. Yeah. And then in the movies and they say, no good after being totally silent. Oh my gosh. I still like hear some voices. I know I went out afterwards because I was waiting for my plane to fly out and I went to this place because Santa Fe is known for their like chilies, like they're good chilies and I had like a because the you didn't hear him through the entire week. Yes. Immediately wondering how that go for you. Oh, dude.
Rate to a double chili burger and a large IPA, like, three of the gate God, which is
probably you sent photos. Yeah. You to you and Sokka. Yeah.
So was that disaster pan? 30,000 feet. It was definitely like my stomach was not happy. I was paying for that, but yeah, so I do how much time do you have? Because I know you have five time. Okay, I've drawn a coming and I got a really crazy one. Let's do crazy. Okay, crazy. We got it out if you can't but they are. You like to talk about cloth of yet?
Yeah I mean so Peter Tia did a fantastic episode which we both what I would say would highly recommend. Yeah with Hunter Tina who is a fantastic research out of use yourself. She has identified a compound called clotho which is just absolutely insane. Yeah so In fairness it was identified by Japanese research. All right? So who need that much? But she spent a good part of her career. Is one of the foremost experts in yes, for sure. Yeah. So she did she did an episode with the Tia that was a deep dive for about an hour and a half and it is
I mean, do you do you have the the kind of stats in front of you? I can ballpark it if you want. Why don't you ballpark? It's the ballpark it in my understanding is that so cloth or just. So people know is, it's naturally produced in humans, especially under high intensity, kind of interval exercise. So you get more natural level. This, we all have in our blood right now, as you age, you get less of it, okay? So the interesting thing in humans that they know is that people that have these others to genes and these genetic polymorphisms. And if you are an over,
Producer. If you have these Snips, we're going to overproduce, or meaning. You naturally, produce more of this cloth. Oh, you just get dramatically, less, dementia risk. And even if the very famous Gene out there is the apoe Apple. It will be 3, it will be 4 genes. Whereas, if you are a for Carrier, meaning, like most people are 3-3. If you're a 34, you're like something like five to seven times more likely to get Alzheimer's. If your, for for your kind of fucked, it's like 80% of people get Alzheimer's or something like that. If you have one of these Snips and you are way
More likely to get it. But you're also an over producer. Clotho it evens out the playing fields. You have the same risk of dementia. So now, the crazier shit is like, forget, the mouse studies analysis, are all awesome. They reverse Dimension, all that show on the game. Clotho, when you give it to monkeys, even if they don't have dementia, they like instantly the subcutaneous shot, monkey Limitless. They instantly become like, 20% smarter, like, for four weeks instantly from just getting a little boost of cloths. Going to
be in the headline, monkey Limitless, do it's not us.
It's not so, you know.
No, we're very close to finishing the deal. But at true Ventures, were writing a very big check that I'm leading around into. We're gonna get this in humans the next year and a half, you're going to participate. Yeah, TM already. Kind of it is going to participate and I can read quickly. Yeah. Place for people who want to check it out. So this is the name, I believe it's the name of the episode that Peter has on the drive which is podcast a breakthrough in Alzheimer's disease. The promising potential of clotho for brain health, cognitive decline and is a therapeutic tool for Alzheimer's disease. So I have Alzheimers on
On both sides of my family. So this is what your 33 though, right? I'm 33. Okay, but I have been interested in tracking this for so long in terms of possible therapeutic intervention. Yes, that's why I studied Neuroscience initially as an undergrad. Yes, that's why. I was initially the very first check I ever cut for supporting science was for Adam ghazali and some of his early stuff. That's awesome. Way back in the day, I've also given out on some cash to go do some yeah. Adam check him out. He's been on the podcast as well and the description is I'll just give you this very quickly. So,
Eenadu ball is a physician scientist and professor of Neurology at UCSF whose work focuses on mechanisms of a longevity. And brain resilience in this episode. Dina Dolph's dolls. Okay. That's the bitter stocking.
Dina, delves into the intricacies. The
Alzheimer's do somebody longevity Factor, clotho its formation and distribution in the body. The factors such as stress and exercise that impacts its level and its profound impact on cognitive function and overall brain health. I don't want to skip over the exercise. Yes. Because
while you're waiting for this to be available, is a subcutaneous or intramuscular shot. I think people should be effective. Subcutaneous as by the way, that's the way they've gone to two monkeys is. Yeah, that's what's up. Cube is very easy. Very, very, very simple. It's like using a Zen pick or is there some acute Subacute as? Yeah. Very, very simple to do, not painful before that is available exercise. Yes, exercise is arguably the most out potent way to increase your circulating levels of cloth on. Yes.
So we're very excited for this. The potential application here is huge. Obviously this is could be the O's in before the mind. We'll see, we'll know more in a bit and once this gets funded excited to see where it goes, but I think this is what I love about. Just our ability, finally, at this stage in life, Tim like I you've done so much on the Psychedelic research side which has been amazing on the philanthropic side to watch happen and like, you know, I started a new sub stack which is like a paid, you know, newsletter I could have been we're private community and
10% of the proceeds from the first month are going into Van Dam at Walker sleep study in which he's identified some antioxidants that he believes can repair a bad night's sleep. And so to mount Walker for those people who don't recognize the name, amazing, super sweet guy. But a brilliant researcher. I just have on the Block. You also wrote, why we sleep? Yes, was a mega mega bestseller. Yeah. And in Matt's it's such a fantastic bike. Well-rounded researcher in the. We do for voice too. Yeah, I mean he they his accent dulcet.
Have velvet British tones. Yes soothing exactly. He could read The Cheesecake Factory menu
your next book and I
would and I would listen to it. Yeah. So that's exciting. Like I'm very excited to like I think you and I both enjoy this idea of like moonshots around you know, science. Yeah because it's like it's severely underfunded and if you do you can read you can do a lot with very little a lot with very little. Yeah, because otherwise, this is part of why on a lot of levels. I find it.
Certainly as exciting as the startup investing. Yeah. Is you have these potentially
Sort of History, bending scientific developments or discoveries that will take years and years and years to fund through traditional grant writing and yes from its support. And if you are able to I know this is not pocket change but if you're able to cut a check quickly for say 25 50 Grand the check. I cut for Adam way back down 10 grand that was a big shock for me you can actually make a difference. Can't give you exact you can accelerate it quickly. Yeah please. So Dina who's the
Principal investigator uses F around clotho. I had a conversation with her and I said, hey, what's the study that you want to do right now on? Clotho that would take you you know a year or so to get the grants and like blonde. She's like I got this one that you know, I want to. I wanted to kind of look Downstream a little bit further and we can tag clotho and see where it goes and all this stuff and I'm like, what does that cost that she's like 50k as like holy shit I'm like you have the researchers ready to go. She's like I can start this tomorrow and so you know I donated some stock
Out with these little tiny distributions that I had received over time and I just donate stock to UCSF and now she has the funding and she already started the study like a week and a half later and it's like I know that's a lot of money to a lot of people so please like I'm not trying to flex here on the cash side but I'm just saying like even a
thousand dollars.
But even like sometimes if you get to know these researches or you hear about something on a TS podcast or your podcast, where you're like, wow that's great science being done, you can call them up, you can email them and say
Say hey, how can I contribute $100 here? And oftentimes it can be tax-deductible depending on the organization and like almost always. Yeah. Almost always texting Danielle and I will say, this doesn't have to be a super high concept doing the greatest good for the greatest number of people motivation. It can be but it is so exciting and gratifying to catalyze science that could
I think without making it sound too exaggerated. I mean, change the world literally in the case of sackcloth. Oh, oh, do you mind if and the fact that you can expedite it for relatively, you know, the cost of a car dude is nuts. Oh, my mom. Now, sometimes, sadly thinks my sister is her mom and she has dementia, and it's not thankfully, it's not Alzheimer's. So we've been with this for about seven years now and, you know, we're going to put this in humans.
As in a year and a half my mom's turning 84 in a few weeks and it's like, I don't know, there's a chance we get this in a couple of years and we get some more great memories back. We get a little bit more of like even not even the, I can't guarantee what's going to happen but even just like a little bit more awareness would be beautiful. You know, beautiful. So it's like this is what what motivates me more than anything and we're in an age also where it's like almost every friend in our same cohort is having this experience.
Preside at least one parent. Usually both, I'm sure ever. There's a are styling people listening, right now are like playing at the ends 100% And it's so painful watch. I remember watching my grandparents kind of descend to the point. Yeah, where they didn't necessarily recognize me brother, anything like that. And if you could just add a few years, right? Or cut down on the symptoms by 20%, it's late so significant. Yeah.
Yeah, for not just their quality of life hopefully but also the interpersonal relationships. Yes. The relationships is the big thing when people go, they go. But just to have that, like, awareness of who is around you. When you do go, I think it's just like, it's such a huge deal. What else you got? I got it. Some crazy ones. I got more crazy ones but bring some crazy. So as I talk to my dead, dad,
Dia
medium, okay? All right, didn't see that coming? Yeah, yeah,
it's on my list.
Talk about. All right. Yeah, tell me so, my tattoo artist was out here and give me this fantastic tattoo. Jess is awesome and she was like hey this is crazy shit, that happened to me, I'm like, what's up? And she's like, I tattooed this woman that was a medium and she gifted me a free session and I'm a was a crazy. And she's like, you have no idea. She's like, okay, a bunch of people secure, the toasters kinds of ideas keep coming to say hi to me. So you know, I'm a biggest skeptic on this shit. Like I take this as like in
Entertainment value, right? Yeah. And so she was like, do you understand someone I don't want to get in her personal details but someone that was not directly related to her but one step removed. Hmm. Like a for immediate family, had been shot and killed and this person came in and said, listen, I had been in. This is not google-able, you couldn't have found this anywhere was like, I am the person that was shot in this particular location at this particular spot like crazy scary like really accurate.
And I was like, oh my God, like and she kept going. And I'm not going to go into her personal details but like, enough to where I was, like, give me the number like, lemon lemons. You know, I wanna like book, the slaughter $50 session, right? 100 150. And so I booked it, and it's early cause she's like, back east and on time I get up at 7 a.m. like barely have my coffee, and there's like she goes, oh my God. She goes, there is this person that is like beating down my door to talk to you and I'm like, okay. And she's like with his with a mediums at me and said you know groans ooh
Zoom. All right and I'm like okay like and you know it's got a it's got a start-up and and please dog Cosmetics. Yeah
exactly. It's a great pre-money valuation. The only want a million dollars like the dog Cosmetics
are going to Boom. So the next day I so basically I was like oh you know I'm kind of like early whatever and I'm like okay I'm very Google you know like I'm aware of that, right? And like you can find out things about
Dad and stuff like that. And she's like, the, it's a man. He passed from some heart tension in my dad died of a heart attack or stroke, I'm like, okay, well then you can Google that, you know, and then she's like describing all kinds of stuff and even including like a fight with my mom, the night before little tiny bit. So my sister did it too. And we didn't tell me, we were latex, my sister's different last name. Oh nice. And so with my sister was like, oh, he's good with numbers. Who's an accountant.
And he was just like saying that he kept saying the number three is there, his her? And she's like, is there a third sibling? And I've never told anybody this. But I have a half-sister, I didn't know about. That's never been on the internet. Yeah. And I was like, I started sobbing to immediately because like, I get that it's entertainment value. Yeah. But just to feel and what she said as she goes he's very proud of you and that just hit me like you know it's like I don't care if it's real or not. Yeah just to hear that and even if to
And if your body can say that might be real, you immediately break down the and so like snots coming out of my nose and shit over zoom. And like there's no filter to turn that off
and like, it's just like, it was just, it was just
very therapeutic, you know? And I was just like, holy shit and then amount of shit that she got right was scary. Did she with on anything trying to think poof? Gosh, you know, it's funny. It's like once you start believing it once you're like halfway in, you don't want to ask any like questions that might get them to where this confirm
ERM yeah, exactly. It's so, but but I gotta say like there was a bunch of stuff where she was like your girls and one of them looks a lot like your dad and has it seemed kind of energy and he likes to like, watch them play because he thinks it's really cute. How one of them is like this and like was predicting their personalities like to the T like like absolutely perfect. And so then I have Daria do it. My wife and her mom comes to her and scary accurate again
Want to be asking for that. You are all. I swear I'm not trying to like plug anything's. I'm here and like so so
medium things
but it was
insane. Uh Cosmetics.com /, kefka exactly the coupon
code. Do you have anybody that's passed away that you'd want to talk to you sure? Yeah. I mean if I could write I mean. I'm very yeah. I mean I've gone out to the edges pretty hard in my sort of subjective experience, or a lot of experiments. But I would say I've also watched for instance,
There's a documentary about the amazing Randi called an honest liar and I've watched documentaries on mentalists and you watch say performers like Derren Brown who are like how they can read and like lean in. I mean the stuff they can do is is just like Beyond. I shouldn't say it's beyond explanation but it's very hard to explain. They're very convincing, right? So I'm very skeptical. But if I could somehow assure myself that I had shielded them from the potential of goo
Things and figuring things out. Right? Right, right. If I could come in blind, like maybe the appointments made him someone else's name and then I show up Timber. And I'm like, okay, here I am tell me. I mean, certainly I'm game to try and I'll pay for your session. I want you to see a picture like this, try this holds up for anybody. Yeah, I'll try it like mime. You, my feeling is in. This is maybe people are gonna be like, wow. Tim Ferriss is wearing a tinfoil hat and we've lost him. He's out at Sea, especially after my sort of like, mimetic contagion comment earlier.
Sure. But there are a lot of I think it's very it's impossible to dispute that there's a lot. We don't understand? Yes. However, that does not mean that these things are unexplainable. It's not invoking necessarily the supernatural per se but there's a lot of weird shit that we can't currently explain. And so in the meantime, if we're waiting for a scientific agreement or consensus or breakthrough that it's accepted, I'm happy to experiment right? As long as as long as you.
Of some preparation and safeguards in advance, so that you're not a mark for fooling yourself, here's low and easily as she never. So, out of myself Daria my sister, she never asked for a rebook appointment. In fact, my sister, she had a bunch of people that came to her that she didn't recognize and she got to my dad like a little bit later. And she's like, listen, I'm so sorry, this never happens. I want to get, I want to give you a free session for free, come back. Next time like it was very weird and there was none of that.
At like salesy shit, you know, always times up. I like Cliffhanger. Yeah,
exactly. Exactly. Oh yeah.
But I just, you know, it was one of these random things that you just walk into and life and you say yes to and it was like we're awesome. I mean, look, I'll give you. This is like two drinks, definitely informing what I'm about to say. But in my experience so I get this a soft tissue treatment once a week.
Right? I get like a massage. She was that I said handy know what does that mean? No, dragon rolls, no Happy Endings. I'm saying just massage treatment like I have people looking look at me so many times and there are certain people who have bizarre abilities that they cannot explain. Like they are just good. It's like the Reiki people doesn't necessarily even have to be that far afield from manual therapy. They're just some people.
Who have very seemingly strange abilities and they have incredible track records and when they try to teach other people their method, it does not translate their disciples are unable to do what they do and I don't know how to explain that but like there seems to be an extreme variance right between outcomes, right? And there's some people who are very purely secular, they have their technique, they can explain it and they're effectively.
X and Carpenters of the human body and they're able to do some miraculous actions, a miraculous but like, predictably effective Things based on their understanding of the human body, then there are people who just seem to operate on a different Channel and I don't know what to make of that. And any, I would say any athlete, like who is competed for a long time or had a lot of manual therapy will have a story about someone like this? Why do you say athlete? Well, just because they're going to state.
Stuff or low know because they're going to injure themselves. Wow, more. They're just going to have more table time. Yeah, than I than an average person, right? You took the average person on the street, I mean, by and largely when you have your last massage like never five years ago, ten years ago, whereas, if somebody is a very serious athlete, they're probably getting some type of manual therapy right once ever. I mean, at least once a month, if not once a week, if they're like an Olympic sprinter or something, they're probably getting it every day or every other day or something like that. Can I ask you a question that you may want to?
That from the podcast, you told me once that during one of your Ayahuasca sessions that it was either someone had spoken in a different tongue that they didn't know or there was something crazy. What is the craziest temporary Supernatural thing that you've ever Sol life? So I that's a good question. I'm going to pull out the supernatural just because K natural hyper natural simply because I don't
These things are Beyond explanation. We just lack perhaps the tools or the immaculate. Yeah we just we can't currently investigate any of these phenomena in a granular enough way to make it the gratifying sure. Yeah yeah okay. So give me a couple. Good ones come. Yeah I'll give you some good ones. I mean so I have a decent amount of flight time. I guess we can call it. I have seen on a few. Now I what I'm going to do is I'm going to I'm going to describe what I saw.
Okay, and then I'm going to debunk it, I know you don't lie, which is what's awesome. Like, I know you long enough to know that you are very, very trustworthy. Like legit person you don't embellish, which I think is great. Yeah, I try not to and I also try to cross-examine, right, so, yeah, you're very skeptical, dude. Yeah, which I love it. Yeah, so I've seen a few people. This is first person speaker. Saying in languages that they do not speak during tongue shit where you're like, I can't understand, you know, you can no, no there. You can hear.
Them like coherently and you speak a lot of languages. Yeah, I'd so were they ever speaking a language that you understood? We like know what language Spanish. Well that's easy one, they could have watched enough. Like no no like no these are people without any exposure or then watch Dora The Explorer. Another thing is that kids like they could have or a much. I'm not fluent these languages but like the people are like from the ship Evil, Knievel people or any other like kichwa me stuff, like like white people coming in. Like yeah, you have any income in blind? They couldn't even tell.
The names of these tribes talk like additional keywords. Like one or two words were like, no, we're talking like an hour. What? Yeah, and you've seen this firsthand. Yes. And I also have what I would. Consider credible Witnesses, people who are hyper competent in their own lives. They have very effective careers, etc, etc. These are not people who are just like navel-gazing folks who do by personal development seminars, every two days and yeah,
Don't have a job, these are real operators who have seen in one instance, you know, this woman who ended up speaking what sounded like in tongues. But there was an academic there. Who later was like, oh, that was, it was something like ancient language was something that he could identify and he's like, oh yeah it's a dead language. He's like but I've studied enough of his like that's what she was. She was she was is chanting in know. So if I were to take the derivative
Monk side of this, I would say, well, everyone's tripping balls. So like, let's be honest, right? Right. Everybody could just be making up the like Neverending Story fantasy that they want to to be true because they're trying to recapture some mystery in a world that seems just like profane and disgusting. And this is all Ayahuasca, those examples are all Ayahuasca but it's not it's not limited to that. It seems to be particularly prevalent, like reports let me be clear, not occurrences but reports of
These types of events or phenomena are most widely reported, it seems in cases of Ayahuasca. But the format I think matters in the sense that it may not be limited to Ayahuasca which is a brew. It's combination of different plants. So been a stereopsis copy and the case of the vine and then psychotria viridis, if they're using, ticuna also another name for the same thing. So it's a bit of a cocktail
You think of as an old-fashioned, like they're a lot of ways to put a spin on an old fashioned depending on the Brew. It's gonna be very, very different, how on the other day with cognac, and it was so good. So tell you what is not delicious as I was good. But the point I was going to make is that I think the reports in part are more frequent with Ayahuasca. Then say psilocybin or more Selassie. Be mushrooms, let's say or else T because I will ask is almost by default at least in the syncretic kind of Masti Sonia.
Basha manik formats that you see say in North America and at a lot of the Ayahuasca tourism places, it's inevitably in a group context, right? And so when you have a group together, the dynamic of the potential for storytelling, the volume of things that you will observe from other people is just higher than if you're laying on a map by yourself. Yeah, mushrooms. So I think since that shared experience is such an
Like part of most Ayahuasca circles as North sort of North Americans experience it, that it's almost inevitable that you're going to get more reports of these types of things. Yeah. Yeah. And who knows, maybe people are just hearing and seeing what they want to see why they are ultimately considered hallucinogens. Although I do think there's more to the story. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I will say like when you're listening to anyone talk about fucking crazy town, which is what we're talking about right now.
And this is not to say that I am the ultimate impeccable objective, witness of reality, but you just have to ask yourself like has this person demonstrated the ability to reason and logic their way through other complicated problems, right? Because if they haven't demonstrated that and they believe in the fucking tooth fairy and writer, right? Birds and Ayahuasca. Then you really you don't have a basis for judging their judgment.
Right. But if someone comes in and they are
Demonstrable e world class in a bunch of domains are real operator, very skeptical and nonetheless. They have these experiences and they're just like, what the fuck. Yeah. Was that exactly? Then it's more interesting. Yeah, I had a jet Navy fighter pilot named Ryan Graves on my podcast, hang Graves. Yeah. Like like that. Like the Uber Ryan Graves, but fighter pilot. Yeah. And he's the one that came out and said, I saw some crazy alien ships in the sky. Yeah. And
we talked to an hour and a half for what it's like. And when the training that he does and the sensors that they have in these Jets. Yeah, and you're like there is nothing like this guy's the most credible dude on earth like he's a retired. Navy fighter pilot like, you know, was there was no, like it wasn't like oh here we go. Oh my God. The corner bit. Here we go. What is this? There's some egg whites. Thank you. Is that
Of
course. Again, apologize. Oh, I like this little this little clothes books. Very nice. Kevin, sorry. Sorry, it's at least must be some, some decorum. Nice. That's not the biscuit protein shake, so to what Kevin to experimentation to experiment.
Station.
These data is probably the best one yet its outstanding. I'm going to be laying on you get on the flight. You're all right. So what do you have? Do you have anything else or do you want me to go on? I got like one or two more if you want to remind you fire away. I mean, basically, here there are few things that I can recommend just in case the computer looking. Yeah, I'll make it fast. So just in case, people are looking for a couple of recommendations for things that over the last few months, I have found really compelling in viewing, or
A few things. So one is Jerry Seinfeld's Duke commencement speech. Oh yes amazing amazing amazing. Yeah, just trust me. Check it out. Yes. Then there's a very old documentary that I watched Again David hockney the art of seeing and David hockney is an incredibly well-known artist. Perhaps Britain's best-loved living Artist Artist and the Art of seeing
Really dives into through interviews his way of viewing, the world, art and life, it's tremendous. And you can find it on YouTube, you might be able to find it elsewhere, but it's actually surprisingly hard to find in terms of books after many. Many people recommended it and I had a hell of a time getting into it. It took 20 or 30 pages, so just suffer through the first 23 Pages. It is one of the most beautifully written books I've ever read. Also probably the most brutal book. It is just brutal. Brutal, brutal,
Called Ritalin, what? Way like. Okay, so it's called Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy.
And the Senate and B selected. You know I listen to it was actually great narration selected by the Atlantic as one of the Great American novels of the past 100 years. Here's an endorsement one of the quotes from Michael hair and think that's a said it's you are quote, a classic American novel of regeneration through violence. McCarthy can only be compared to our greatest writers, like Melville etc, etc. And this is his Masterpiece. So it's brutal in the sense that it is set in the Wild West,
But the hobbesian behavior of humans and just like evil acts of brutality are are just beyond. This is gonna be like a Quentin Tarantino film in like ten years, nothing or five years. It would be hard to make an adaptation. I think it'd be hard to socks. People just come out of the movie theaters being like, what the fuck did I do to myself? But the pros, the pros is so gorgeous. I mean, this is one of the books. Yeah, that I listen to and I was like,
I should just fucking hang up my Spurs and be done with writing like this shit is running so good so far. This writing is so good. Maybe this guy's an alien like he's it doesn't seem conceivable to me that a human could produce this. It's so good. Now, I will warn you. If you listen to the audio book in the beginning of chapters, they these ran not quite random other foreshadowing Snippets of different phrases and it's confusing as fuck on the audio. But okay, so on he's like marshmallow tobacco, a man finds a
Mark hat in the wind. You know that's the fuck is having the perfect diamond Tarantino like little like slide that they put up on the screen. They always put exactly. So that's at the beginning of every chapter but its outstanding. If you want something that is shorter and also metaphorically quite beautiful, the Bear, by Andrew cryovac. I think if I'm saying his name, correctly is a beautiful story of a girl and her father who lived close to the land in the shadow of a Lone Mountain, the father teaches the girl had to fish and hunt the secret.
Of the seasons in the Stars. He is preparing her for adulthood in harmony with nature for their, the last of humankind. I'll just stop there. It's beautiful. I finished it in a handful of days, it's very short. That's a very special book, really, really fast. If you're doing documentaries, I want to throw it out there. Do you've probably seen this and I just wash it again for the second time. It's called the birth of sake. Never seen it. What? No. Oh, dude, this is a now. We tasted a lot of soccer and Japan. Yeah, we went to actually like now the brewery,
Yeah. Took it right out of this. Pick it without raising. So good. So the birth of sake is about a like traditional handmade. Like there's only like a thousand of them laugh like crazy. Like 4,000. Like a decade ago announced with them down to 1,000 handmade. Sounds like Japan again. Well, they're like machines and automation all that are like taking over and this is about, I didn't know if you knew this but like if you're actually making socket, you have to tend to it for about six months round-the-clock. And so they get together in these like, little tiny micro home
homes where they live, they leave their families and they just work on socket for six months. And so, this covers like old men, young men coming in like tradition the handing off of reins to one generation to another, you know, somebody dying like the whole thing and it's beautiful. It's just little tiny Brewery called Yoshida Brewery. And so there's a, there's a great store in San Francisco. I'm sure you probably remember called true sake, remember, over and Page over on, I'm sorry, Anna, Hayes Valley, he's got ya, so they actually
Out of
socket. They're called he told him assuming, which means single daughter, which to this day, I've been trying to find. So they actually sell this. I found this, like I have it upstairs. We can take a sip of it. Um, I
bought, it's not much, it's like, it's like
$50 a bottle. Yeah, but it's this little tiny family. The story is beautiful, it's all 4K, there's like snow falling in like, slow motion, highly recommend watching that documentary of the birth of sake. That's that's my Amanda go. What else you got? I got a short one. Okay, go. All right, so this is a video that was sent to me by my friend, Mike
Like, you gotta watch this. You gotta watch this. It's called just some of the stuff is in each other. Normally no no. Not that horrific mutually assured. Destruction known as our group. Did you ever make it out? No, no. No. It's called higher. N re n by r n. Who's a musician? Storyteller Lyricist. It's fucking incredible. You've never seen anything like it. And this combination of talent craziness / lunacy, philosophy Redemption.
And relief. The lyrics are so good. It's a one-man performance or is playing guitar. He looks like a mental patient. Like he's in an inpatient out like outfit gets wheeled in and it's just him and a guitar and he goes back and forth playing like the light and dark sides of himself having a conversation. Oh shit is so much it now or no good. It's probably too long to watch. Now you should watch it. It will blow your mind. All right well link it up. This is good.
I love only throughout the random links are just like, really good. This one seriously, I was like, oh, not the only one is fucking crazy. Oh that's great, that's great. Yeah fantastic I love that we're all fucking crazy avocados. What a relief. So that's that's definitely. That's definitely one that came to 1. All right, I got my last story of the day and then maybe you have one out on top of this. So I'm taking a lot of risk here in that tantalizing speaking about podcasts that we don't want to do what everybody else is doing, you know.
One of the things that was a complete tragedy that we can all agree upon, is that Matthew Perry's passing away from ketamine overdose or coming unconscious than drowning in the pool. Yeah a lot of data came out recently. Did you see that? Yeah it's story. It was like really horrible like these doctors were conspiring until I give him as much as he wanted and like injecting him with what would be considered to be like a general anesthesia. Exactly enough to put you out, right? And like, obviously, you don't doesn't falsely water in the hot tub, right? Doesn't mix with water. Yeah. So the thing that
Bum me out about that. Is that, you know, we talked about this before about my treatment, like, six months ago, and I feel fantastic after that treatment, but the thing that bums me out is that eating intravenous was intravenous or intramuscular interview this. Yeah, it's so IV ketamine drip. Yeah, so I did it, you know, I did those six sessions and I was going through a really hard start up and like, I feel as good as ever, which is great. Since then, when we did that podcast, I have had
And I can't say on camera but I've had a household name that has built a business that is bigger than you and I have ever built. That would be a shock to the world that hit me up was like I did this and it changed my life and they've since paid for a bunch of people to do it after them that were really suffering. That person in particular was having some depression. Things of that nature. That was just treatment-resistant Depression, was what they call it colleague of mine. Hit me up and was like, I have Suicidal Thoughts. I'm not going to kill myself but I hate that I
Of them every day you know and also scary message to get ya. What did she went? And did five treatments and is now in full remission. It has like this is amazing and it kills me that I mean, obviously there are insane dangers, around recreational use. I'm not disputing that at all, and it's being used in clubs. It's being used all over the places that dissociated and like, I get that, it's really bad but I wanted to go out and say, if I'm going to do a different podcast on this.
I want to have in an expert, which I brought my doctor, and her name is dr. Jenn, she is Princeton trained. Doctor not a chiropractor, and not a chiropractor, geofence car practice, but they tend to do the doctor. Bob. Dr. Jack dr. Jenn thing. Yeah, you don't want to, you don't want to chiropractor doing this, but she's been an, ER, room doctor for like 15 years now. I feel like a dick. I'm off to say, like, there's some great chiropractors out there who I work with, but but you don't want them running Academy, right? Exactly. And she gets into that and she understands she's like this is why like we need to take this seriously.
So we did the whole podcast, we take it from a very scientific point of view. Talking about the neuroplasticity talking about her outcomes that she's witnessed blah blah. But the crazy thing that I added on to, this is coming out in like a week or so, is that I actually said, okay I will go in to demystify this and I went into the clinic and I did inter muscular which is just a shot in the arm. Yeah, Sands ride rocket ship. I tried to stay as conscious as I could and explain the feeling just as I was starting to go.
Into lala land. Now, let me tell you. What did you do? Are you going to share marble mouth moments? Yeah, Hunter Centre ever broke. It is an anesthetic, the same sentence like five times. But I will tell you, the reason why I did, this is very simply because of my friend that was suffering from severe depression, that she knew me personally, and she's like, I saw you do this and I saw it have a positive benefit that I went to
I'm not recommending anyone to do this but there is a subset of people out there that are suffering that are seriously contemplating horrible things and I just want them to check it out and also see what a high-quality Clinic looks like. Yeah. Like don't go to the chiropractor,
just look
inside of the sorry. I said that. Yeah, no. But it's true though. Like that's let's take our backers, but people that have access to this compound, don't go to them. Like, you should have a real legitimate doctor. This should be a real legitimate intake. There should be blood pressure, cuffs there should be heart rate monitor. It's just
A all the real things that come with legitimate practice and so I want to demystify it a bit. It's going to be controversial, it's coming out soon but, you know, I think I'm on the right side of History here. I think that like this will help a lot of people. It's not for everyone, but if you're really, really suffering and tried everything else, all the exercise, all the antidepressants and you still want to do harm. Yeah, four speakers consider. Yeah. For suicidal ideation. I mean, there are many resources that we could recommend
I mean, we're not doctors so we're not doctors first. Not medical doctors. Yeah, almost off myself in college. So, I mean, if you, if you search some practical thoughts on suicide in my name, there will be a long post that will walk you through my history with this. But if someone's contemplating self-harm serious self-harm. Then I do think of all the interventions I've seen in clinic, that's the operative term, ketamine sessions whether IV or
Or intramuscular are very interesting. They effectively hit stop or pause on the thought Loops. So that you can have a moment of respite to really examine what is happening and going on and take a short break from your pain and in the form of these thought Loops that are incessant and that is also the reason why in my opinion you should not use ketamine outside of Clinic hundred percent. It is too seductive it is
Is.
Very easy to become addicted. If you have any history of using alcohol to take the edge off. Ketamine is like alcohol times 100 in terms of its Effectiveness to take that edge off. And therein lies the danger. Yes. Because there are severe consequences to becoming really addicted to ketamine. I will say this. That was really interesting. I talked to dr. Jenn who's done hundreds of patients now, right? And, and she goes, and I said to her on the podcast and her defense is very interesting. I said, you know, for me like I don't see how can anyone
Be addicted this because like it's like a journey. You go on, you know, by the time I'm done with the journey I'm like, oh my God, thank God. I get like you know, a few days off because you do it twice a week for three weeks. But she goes, no, no, Kevin. I just want to let you know, there are some people that when they feel that they feel high from that. Yeah, I'm not one of those people think God but like she's like therein lies the danger and I'm like thank you for correcting me. They're like that's a real legitimate person that is like trying to set the record straight because some people can get that alcohol times 1,000,
And get addicted and then they go finding Street sources and all that stuff. But like, it's a really crazy compound because in some settings, it can be a savior and a reboot that people need in an outside perspective. To look at themselves disassociated a bit to laugh. And like to look to take a job to take an observer status or wealth, their own salaries. I talk about that actually when they film me coming out of it, they go, they go, what did you feel? I go Kevin was over here. I took an observer status of
That. Yeah and I was able to say he's being crazy and he's His Own Worst Enemy. Yeah. You know and so it's like it's very challenging because in some sense like this is a very dangerous compound but I don't think we need to like just throw it away. Now, we don't need to demonize it. It I think it's a very powerful tool.
And the risk is self-administration. Yes, right? 100%. And I will say, I've seen some of the most impressive amazing Soulful high functioning people completely derail their lives using ketamine another compounds. And you just have to be very very cautious because my belief is and I think this is a, even if it's inaccurate, I think it's a constructive positive beliefs.
Holds which is everyone has a molecule that will make them addictive everyone. Yes you just don't know exactly which key is going to fit the lock. Yes. But everyone has the potential. Yeah to be addicted and it's just the right molecule. So for me I'm like let's Safeguard against that. Oh my God. What is this? Thank you that I love that text was from like 20 minutes away.
Thank you asking you the best, man. Thanks, man. Pick Studio. Dottie I for Tim in Speedos. Can you please hold it up? Amazing, crazy. I mean, it looks just like him. What's the story of the snake through the skull on your forearm? All right, so there's no stress. It's just beautiful. All right, you know, I stand corrected. I like it. Oh yeah. Like the the monkey you in the Hat with the cigar. He's not look pretty traditional.
To look at like the CCP baby at the boxing gloves. Yeah, who
knows. Addison's the best. Thank you so much.
Oh yeah. So the we did miss that up front but I think we should mention it. Well, I didn't mention flux. So there was a new model that came out absent. You get to do the chairs which we cheers to.
To our girlfriends that our wives, who
to our friends. Our wives may, they never meet thousands of bright
future tense for me. But, you know, a boy can dream. So, just to give the the round out of the 30 seconds as and you switch to a new model called flocks. Which yeah, this is the new way. I shed, what's really crazy is so you guys brought sweets, we get him a mic. Yeah.
Yeah, you're talking to this Mike kneel down for say, it takes it, take an, a just just tell us about about flux because the pictures of Tim are insane, tell why are they better now than they were three months ago? Like, you guys are originally brought up a prompt tent, like maybe two years ago now or maybe a year and a half ago. It was like on like in December of twenty. Twenty, twenty, twenty. You look good. That's not even. Yeah, that's just the
Mexican. Yeah, that's just that's just Mexico. No.
Now so you guys brought it up and
Were making all these theories about what's going to happen with AI and really like just the models just keep getting better. And the prompts are kind of still saying, still staying complicated. And so essentially there was a team at stable diffusion or stability. AI those folks left and basically start another open source model and this thing is competing with mid-journey and it's all open source and it launched. And that like the day or the couple days after it launched
I'm saying, like, you won't be able to fine-tune. It won't be able to like train, like basically these Laura's and things like that. 24 hours later. I was like, actually you can and that's all rapidly is sounds like a I insane. And and it takes very little effort, we put a bunch of these up there and nuts. Yes, your question on this also, I feel like we're going to put these up and then people are going to be me in person and be like, what, almost what happened?
You really let yourself go hold on this
picture. Tim with the with the red like Speedo type stuff. How
Kim's, good side. How could you say I want him in a black jacket here. Red red pants. Yeah. So the way, like, what I'm working on with like Pig Studio, A is essentially, like everyone wants really do you want to like,
go a little bit more here? So we can see your
face? I mean, sure, come on. Over this way. I want to get my get my good side.
Yeah, just sit on. Kevin is sit on Kevin's. Lots of you want.
I'm not saying that's hot, but if the
boner police were around either,
Amanda lawyer,
that's definitely staying in
his flesh light
sort of working. Like in a way that is actually usable, which is what I keep telling people is.
How many times have you taken head shots where you just need them? For me to either LinkedIn or show that you're working on? It's just like a really being, I mean, that's the, I'd hate to be dating right now to be. Yeah, me too, but you can do anything really essentially like what we're trying to do is figure out what kind of photos people want follow, where they go to the go to the website for a second. What's the tag line Pro portraits created with a guy that's where there are? We gonna whole bunch of stuff and these are actually old ones because we're sort of piloting this right now. That's a different portraits of those are those are
Old versions of our portraits, but you know, I see it less being. Hey, I want to be riding an elephant going, you know, crazy, it's more. Like I used to take portraits every year with my buddy, Nate Taylor who took your portraits about another. And we'd have to spend like a day or two taking these photos and like he doesn't want to do it. I don't want to do it. He's going to take 1000 photos and maybe one looks good and it's like this is just going to get it right? Right away. Yeah, so it's just, it's realistic way of getting a great portrait. You can do whatever like I
I absolutely did that. And that's going to my library, your put, his
sash
bookmarks to tax returns
2011. I think I'm gonna make it only fans for
Tim. I'm gonna get only cancer timface solely on the zi model, and that's an interesting thing. All right, so true, like it doesn't it. I can see your everything. I'm good microphone, what for what? For a wobble. I love that. I said he's the best, he's always.
Gambling. Like this is a one-person startup that he did on his own that the, yeah, I know, it's to dabbling. The dabbling is where you find things to double down on. Yes, right. That's that's where it all where. It's where all the magic happens. How to present. All right. I'm not as good stories. You got anything else. A good stories? I think I've covered most of it on my list. I'll mention a few things, there's a children's book for adults, you're right. You said, children's Children's, yeah, a children's children.
Apostrophe. S a children's Children's. Yes. Okay. - Long Island coming
on. I think that's how you say it's garbage. Killing of
that happening quite well. Already called The Well of being by Jean-Pierre while I guess we're gonna say in German, all right? And this has made an impact on me, it's a beautiful book, it's very easy to read. You could read with your kids and the couple who introduced me to this or one of the most thoughtful present and playful.
All couples. I know F and K. Thank you for all this and it infused. You know that they've also infused the raising of their daughters with the ethos of this book in a way. So here's the description. The Well of being from a Jean-Pierre while is an illustrated inquiry into the art of happiness and what it means to be radically alive in our daily moments. I'll stop there. It's a long distance. How to print I'm on Amazon right now, it's actually really yeah and so I had to just buy a cop, I used copy it's a beautiful book, okay? And then separately
Is a question that I've been asking myself a lot and you can find this more elaborated upon on my blog takes two or three minutes, but don't freak out because the first few paragraphs of the blog post, but it's a strong metaphor. And the question is are you hunting Antelope or field mice? And I've been thinking about this with the podcast as well as with respect to next projects, how I choose next projects, right? Because all we have is our energy and time and if you spend it in one place,
You can't spend it in another. And this particular question, people can look it up for the history, but are you hunting? Are you, are you hunting Antelope or field? Mice is a reference to sort of the metaphor of the Lion. A lion can survive on field mice, but it's going to ultimately be very, very, very very, very over busy and it's going to burn more calories than it earns through hunting field with. So be skinny, don't be skinny but like
Pick a big. It would be skinny if it was. So, would be skinny have a pick a big audacious goal that can feed you for a long time, right? So as you're being busy, quote unquote, like are you hunting field, mice? Or Antelope can challenge that for a second challenge. So, if you're hunting field mice, I'm assuming that's easier. Prey easier to get, probably gives you more time to like,
Sit watching you are watching, Netflix like the one thing that struck me about today and I just like, let's have a little real talk first. Oh wow. Oh God, coming to Jesus moment. Here we go. Like if you went on this sabbatical. Yeah. And yet you had to write a book. I did. It's funny. I didn't have to hold on, hold on. Our for our mutual friend boy, who cannot be named pointed this out as well? Yeah. We're it's like, can you sit and just be you?
You or would that be too hard? Okay, let's do it. Alright, so let's yeah, this is, this is good. Let's let's get into the fucking chewy bits. So I routinely every year, spend at least a month off the grid, right? Like last October I was gone. I was in, I was off the grid. Yeah, but you were doing shit. I was doing stuff. But here's my question, right? And this was in our shared text thread. I basically said, okay, look, so the
The accusation is that Tim doesn't know how to chill out. I'm like, okay fine, let's take that is true. If Tim were to chill out. What does that look like on a daily and weekly basis? And one of my challenges was humans are built to be social, you have family, our mutual friend as a family, there's an inbuilt
Social network in that family. I don't have that. Right? So my, you're a brother to me. So you always have a family. Yeah, I appreciate that and like, on a day-to-day basis when I wake up in the morning, like, you know, my hotel room. My house is empty, right? Yeah. So I need to go externally. I need to travel outside of the confines of my house to find that human interaction. Is so the question is like, okay, well if you could write the script, what would Tim Ferriss
Chilling out look like, I don't what that would look like. What would it look like? Oh, it's very simple. All right, I got the best answer for you ever. Oh boy, no script. That sounds like some fucking fortune cookie stuff that I can't make sense of the. What does that mean? I know you can't make sense of it, but that's the point. It's no script. When have you done that when I did my meditation Retreats when I do, there's there's no. But you had a, you had a schedule for the for each day. Sure. But like, I think
I was like an intensive. The silent River, you're meditating, and hours of that bitch.
Like
okay. I suffer from the same thing. You do? I suffer the same thing you do and that is that we click
this. It there's a reason we're all friends, right? We're all fucking Border Collies chewing on the
couch. We can't turn it off. You know? And it's like honestly I think the healthiest thing though would be to wake up with no agenda for a month with no friends for a month with the fact that you just wake up saying, what is today going to bring and that is damn fucking hard for people to driven like you
mer. I did that for almost a month last October but and just seems like a dog's during that time and she had come on you just towards the end but in that particular case I mean I'll just say that I don't think humans are built for isolation and their greed and and there and there is a fetishizing of self-sufficiency and Independence in the u.s. that I think is unhealthy it exists another places for sure. But if you look at our evolutionary biological like our biological programming completely refutes that too.
Exiled to be excluded from the group is effective 100%, right? And I'm not gonna, I'm not arguing that, but I remember arguing. He's like what if you couldn't touch a pen or a computer for a month, they shoot. Arrows. Or, or below? Yeah. IV the I do think and I can't remember the particular attribution of this man. I wish I could really remember it, but on Jeremy, the Hedgehog know it was, it was someone else but it's basically like man finds Leisure through.
The, through the switching from one activity to another, like one compelling activity to another, or something along those lines. And I wish I had the exact quote and the attribution, but I don't, and this applies, obviously cross-gender. But the point being that I'm not convinced that being idle is a fruitful goal to have. If you can't sit with yourself for five minutes, that's a problem. Yeah, right. But
When people have different constitutions and for me for instance, right? If you look at the four hour work week, okay. So I get rid of not get rid of but I automate my whole business bubble ball. What do I do? I end up doing Tangos like six to eight hours a day, right? But that was not done from a
Position of obligation or fear. It was done from a place of, like, enthusiasm and excitement and love. That's different. And that I think is good medicine, right? So as long as I have the self-awareness to distinguish between something that is done from a place of fear or guilt or Prestige hunger or responsibility, or
Some nebulous obligation versus the things that enliven me I think being active is fine as long as I land in the latter category. Yeah, right. Like for instance, I'm doing a lot of archery right now but and I fucking love it. Like I am so fed by it and I'm not saying I'm the world's best. I certainly am not but I just find it. So meditative and but can I ask you one question? One of the things I'm really curious about is like, Tim, like,
I respect you so much because of how I've watched you dissect and, you know, assimilate like information like no other human I've ever seen on Earth and you are able to learn and pick up and go deep on any topic within a matter of minutes or hours or weeks, you know, like, you do that quite well. The one thing that is the rounding out of the holistic picture of Tim that I'm curious if you could ever tap into is
is the Tim that says I can just be without having to go for those things or having to engage in that type of thinking, you know, that type of like Pursuit that type of analyzing, you know, I Daria my wife is she's a PhD in neuroscience and and I often times get engaged in intense debates with her about this room, just like, chill the fuck out. Now I'm
just
They don't listen this far so but I'm just like, you know, I'm like, I'm like I
wish I wish with all my friends balance in that think of the were our mutual friend, was trying to get to is like, might you find Voldemort? My might, you find a little bit more of that side of the house because you have the other in Spades. Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I'll sit with it. I think the balance can come in a lot of different forms, right? So, the balance is time-bound, right? And since that
Is it balanced on a daily basis? Is it on a weekly basis? This is a my
think it do not. Hold on, hold on,
he's always not. It's finding the right conceptual framework through which to think about it and I don't think that's a mistake. I think it's actually very helpful. Depends on how your mind works, right? For me though, it's like if I'm super intense for a month and I'm going 10 out of 10 and then I'm 0 out of 10 for a month, like that equates to kind of 55. Yet that's have me a certain degree.
Of balance, but it's not, if you looked at it on the minute to minute hour and our day-to-day, it would look very lopsided. I know a fantastic app that I would love to build for you. Which would be like, the Tim Tim random map and, like, you open up every morning and it tells you what to do for a month. And I'd be like today, it's like what the fuck is this Noob? Like, oh, I have to buy a slip and slide and go down at 20 times
like, you know, just like something where it's just, like, throwing up completely out
of your life. And you're like, wow, I didn't have to think about it, I didn't.
To overanalyze it. It's just a fucking thing. I'm going to do. Well, this is this is part of the curse of the entrepreneur, but it's rice. Oh, but not all saying. Yeah, 100%, you know, exactly. I'm talking I know exactly who talked about this but also, but also at the same time, he's either your mics, I know this but also at the same time, I will say that. Like when you introduce another partner it's the dances fucking hard, right? Yeah. The dark is very much about like structure and shit, where I'm just sorry and ivory someone very
Super sweet? Yeah. Love you darling. She's you with hair the
best? Yeah, but she hasn't has nobody does a better body. I mean, you look at my AI harasses me there, as I am,
sorry,
because you gotta catch my okay, thank you everyone for tuning into.
Good to see you buddy. I love you brother. Yeah, I love you too. It's it's always good to hang out with you, seriously? Like I wish we could be in the same city.
For? Yeah. My fucking hair too. Seriously, other Centigrade. So if we can talk dirty to move in an office and I would be down, seriously, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Good to see you, buddy. All right, I'm in peace. See you guys and oh yeah for all the links and whatever images me and my Speedos and all that good jazz. Go to Tim dot blog, / podcast. Yes. And she took him like an episode of. There we go. Kevro's.com all right, everybody take
care.
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